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Master Lawdog said:

I do have one big question. Why does Miss Teschmacher break Lex out of prison when (at least in the extended version) he tried to sacrifice her to their animals before Superman saved her. You’d think they’d be through by the events of the second film.

Perhaps because she’s hopelessly in love with him? Crazy girl. Lex, also tried to murder her mother (indirectly) - she lived in the same area the missiles would explode.

A bigger mystery is why the character vanishes from the film? Was there a reason, I’ve forgotten?

I think her last scene was using the ‘conveniences’ - a deleted moment, in the Fortress of Solitude?

I’m glad that buffoon, Otis, was cut loose from the film - but also sorry he didn’t hang around and have some scenes with the three super villains. I wonder what Ursa & Non would’ve made of him?

Viewing the R.I.C. there’s an extended scene with the police deputy, surreptitiously trying to move round the police car, and bumping into Ursa, later on, he’s seen hobbling out of the police car in town - he looks like he’s holding back (barely) a dump.

You think Ursa may’ve done something to him, offscreen?

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Slavicuss said:

Master Lawdog said:

I do have one big question. Why does Miss Teschmacher break Lex out of prison when (at least in the extended version) he tried to sacrifice her to their animals before Superman saved her. You’d think they’d be through by the events of the second film.

Perhaps because she’s hopelessly in love with him? Crazy girl. Lex, also tried to murder her mother (indirectly) - she lived in the same area the missiles would explode.

A bigger mystery is why the character vanishes from the film? Was there a reason, I’ve forgotten?

I think her last scene was using the ‘conveniences’ - a deleted moment, in the Fortress of Solitude?

I’m glad that buffoon, Otis, was cut loose from the film - but also sorry he didn’t hang around and have some scenes with the three super villains. I wonder what Ursa & Non would’ve made of him?

Viewing the R.I.C. there’s an extended scene with the police deputy, surreptitiously trying to move round the police car, and bumping into Ursa, later on, he’s seen hobbling out of the police car in town - he looks like he’s holding back (barely) a dump.

You think Ursa may’ve done something to him, offscreen?

I suppose you’re right.

I do also agree with you on where Teschmacher went, however, I think I know. One of the deleted scenes (which I’m not adding back in) takes place at the end of the movie where she breaks Lex out of prison in a car and leaves Otis behind again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsyNl200pj8

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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Slavicuss said:

Master Lawdog said:

I do have one big question. Why does Miss Teschmacher break Lex out of prison when (at least in the extended version) he tried to sacrifice her to their animals before Superman saved her. You’d think they’d be through by the events of the second film.

Perhaps because she’s hopelessly in love with him? Crazy girl. Lex, also tried to murder her mother (indirectly) - she lived in the same area the missiles would explode.

A bigger mystery is why the character vanishes from the film? Was there a reason, I’ve forgotten?

I think her last scene was using the ‘conveniences’ - a deleted moment, in the Fortress of Solitude?

I’m glad that buffoon, Otis, was cut loose from the film - but also sorry he didn’t hang around and have some scenes with the three super villains. I wonder what Ursa & Non would’ve made of him?

  • Short answer (outside the film): Like Brando and Hackman, she never shot anything for part 2 under Richard Lester’s direction.

  • Long answer: In the script, Lex leaves her behind to freeze to death. Yeah, that would’ve had to be re-written if Donner finished the film. Which would’ve meant paying another actor more money. And the Salkinds weren’t having it. Just another note to the never ending list of why part 2 (and the rest of the franchise for that matter) was never finished and turned out the way that it did.

I saw a recent re-union at a con (recent as in, probably about a decade ago) with most of the actors (before she died) and she sounded a little sad about why she never returned for part 2.

Also, in the alternate version of the Richard Donner cut that aired on either hulu or Vudu, when we hear Eve’s voice from afar at the FOS when she flushes the toilet, you hear a stock sound effect of a woman screaming and falling. Lex smiles devilishly, then says “She found it”. Guess Michael Thau figured using some stock sounds to cover the bases would’ve been an alternate way to remove Eve from the story. Glad it was cut. I grew up with the tv broadcast version of S2 and I always liked the additional scene of the 2 of them after they leave the FOS when Lex says tells her about the villains coming to Earth and that “Even when you lose, you win”.

South, Miss Teschmaker!!!

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The workprint has been completed and released. I still need someone to help out with VFX and maybe even some help with audio editing.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.

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I am interested in that work print. PM me please…thanks.

“Hear you nothing that I say?”
-Yoda

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can i get a link in superman ii ultimate edtion

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It is now time to revive this thread because the unknown editor has now completed a brand new 165 min. edit of SII, the long-in-the-works version called “The Black Cut”.

What is “The Black Cut”? This new version attempts to merge as much existing footage from both the Richard Donner and Richard Lester shoots as possible to create a new, longer story.

As you know, both released theatrical versions of SII stand out on their own, but even with footage missing (but later restored to various TV and digital edits), neither film is the complete story. This new “Black Cut” is.

It restores much of the original opening of the Lester version with Krypton and Paris, clarifies the Niagara Falls storyline missing from the Donner cut, restores nearly all the footage from the TV cuts, rearranges the film’s midsection with Superman losing his powers, incorporates both Marlon Brando and Susannah York’s scenes, a much longer finale with the Battle of Metropolis Road and the Fortress, and combines the endings of both the Lester and Donner cuts you will have to see and believe, literally.

A majority of the film is presented in its original 2.35:1 Panavision ratio, while sequences that could not be presented in the full AR are in the 1:33.1 TV ratio, but those particular additions are minimal at best and should not distract you from your enjoyment of the new “Black Cut”.

If you are interested in this, PM me. It will only be up for a short time.

“Hear you nothing that I say?”
-Yoda

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hiphats said:

It is now time to revive this thread because the unknown editor has now completed a brand new 165 min. edit of SII, the long-in-the-works version called “The Black Cut”.

What is “The Black Cut”? This new version attempts to merge as much existing footage from both the Richard Donner and Richard Lester shoots as possible to create a new, longer story.

As you know, both released theatrical versions of SII stand out on their own, but even with footage missing (but later restored to various TV and digital edits), neither film is the complete story. This new “Black Cut” is.

It restores much of the original opening of the Lester version with Krypton and Paris, clarifies the Niagara Falls storyline missing from the Donner cut, restores nearly all the footage from the TV cuts, rearranges the film’s midsection with Superman losing his powers, incorporates both Marlon Brando and Susannah York’s scenes, a much longer finale with the Battle of Metropolis Road and the Fortress, and combines the endings of both the Lester and Donner cuts you will have to see and believe, literally.

A majority of the film is presented in its original 2.35:1 Panavision ratio, while sequences that could not be presented in the full AR are in the 1:33.1 TV ratio, but those particular additions are minimal at best and should not distract you from your enjoyment of the new “Black Cut”.

If you are interested in this, PM me. It will only be up for a short time.

I’ve never heard of this before.

The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.