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Originally posted by: ricarleite
The most difficult language to learne as a 2nd language are those that does not involve the ocidental alphabet (A, B, C), such as arabic or japanese. I'm trying to learne japanese by myself, and it has been very difficult with all those polite forms and adjective tenses and 30 thousand kanji characters and stuff.



good luck in learning Japanese, It does seem like a difficult language to learn.
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
awwwwwww Switch are you sure this is it??
don't leave on a count of jimbo's wanting to make love to George Bush speech.....
after all these months he's pretty much tarnished his reputation on these boards and therefore ruined any say he has on any topic....

if it is because of other reasons than i understand and you will be missed...
but we'd hate to lose you...


Did I miss something. I thougth Radic was pro-Bush.


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this is way too funny, in all ways and im too drunk to be replying, or this would end very ugly see you all tomorrow...
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."
Qui-Gon Jinn (R.I.P.)
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i got this japanese scroll i bought for 2 bucks very nice
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who hired his advisors? I can't beleive that a better President would have gone in there with such little proof. And I can't accept that the President isn't reponsible at least in part for the mess. And again he came off looking like a moron. And proof that he really wasn't going to war for oil please.
Well, George Tenet was put in charge of the CIA by Bill Clinton, if I recall. Bush felt he didn't need to make a change.
And, if this war was really about Oil...Bush could have signed an executive order to drill in the Anwar region of Alaska.
Bingo, dependancy on foreign oil reduced.
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please name the countries that are in Iraq with us(other than England). And we did not work the U.N. We need to try harder somtimes we need to compromise somtimes. We need to stop this go it alone approach. More effort should have been made to cooperate with U.N. to resolve the Iraq crissis

First, I believe I made a tiny slip. There are not 80+ "in" Iraq, but there are 80+ as members of the Coalition. Not all of them have troops in Iraq. Some are providing support behind the scenes.
From memory: Italy, Poland, Spain (until mid-March) Japan, South Korea, Australia (England)
From an unofficial website: ...its easier to post the URL: Coalition of the Willing
From a 1+ year old BBC article: Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.
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the point is, not enough effort was gone into to catch him. And even though there have been no attacks on US soil since 9-11, There still have been attacks, innocent people have died . And how long before another attack is carried off here? And I know they are still find Nazi guards, but the point is athought some are still free, that have atleast been put out of business. Can you say the same for the terrorists groups?
No, I cannot. But the task of rooting out terrorists is far harder than attacking Germany.
When WW2, we knew that Germans were in Paris, Berlin, Warsaw and Salzburg. It took us just under 4 years of brute-force, face-to-face (essentially) fighting to end the German threat.
With this war, we do not know where the enemy is. They could be in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran or living next door. The threat is far more hidden from view. If it was like Germany, this war would already be over.
If you have some special gift of divination that can find the terrorists, I'm sure the military would appreciate the help.
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not exactly understanding what you meant here, please explain more clearly.
Let me use another example. It something I recall hearing people discuss last year.

You pull into a gas station. Gas is $1.02 per gallon. You fill up.
2 weeks later, you need more gas. WTF!!! Gas is up to $1.20 per gallon. Oh well, you need the gas, so you pay it.
Another 2 weeks. Gas is now $1.13 per gallon. You are now happy, because gas isn't $1.20 anymore.
But gas is still 11 cents higher than it was 4 weeks ago.
Gas now hovers around that $1.13 area. I've just been punked by the gas companies.

Now, instead of the price of gas, let's say we're talking about what the general public will tolerate in the media.
Horror before 1945 was The Wolfman, Frankenstein, Dracula. Practically no blood, gore or language and some violence.
Horror since 1980 is Nightmare on Elm Street, Jason, Freddy vs Jason, Child's Play, etc. Plenty of blood, gore, language and general violence.

People push the envelop, then someone has to push a little farther. Eventually, what the first people did to push the envelop is acceptable and commonplace. Its been a slow evolution.

I view the places this "envelop pushing" is going to be crude, harmful, unneccessary and not representative of the US general population.
However, you may view the same material to be perfectly harmless.
Its all a matter of perspective and remembering what things were like in the past.

I hope I'm adequately showing you what I meant this time.

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Finally we can expect terrists attacks untill we get leadership that nows how to effectively deal with. Bush doesn't. Will Kerry? we'll see, I am ready to give him the chance.
Kerry gives me the impression that he'd invite Osama over to the White House for milk and cookies to discuss some sort of arrangement to "end" the war, not unike how Clinton payed off North Korea to "stop its nuclear testing".
Kerry hasn't shown me anything that says he can do things in the war on terror any better than Bush.
Someone mentioned the environment. What, specifically, were you thinking of that Bush did that was anti-environment? With the War and the economy, blah, blah, blah, I haven't heard a thing on the environment for a long, long time.

Really quickly, I also wanted to speak quickly to Switch Radic.
Yes, debates might not change people's minds, but debate can allow people who have not made up their minds to view both sides of an issue and make a more educated opinion.
There really is no need to leave the originaltrilogy.com forums. If you are uninterested and turned off by the non-Star Wars debate, to be quite honest, you don't need to open the Off Topic forum.
Stick to the General Discussion or Theatrical vs. Special Edition forums. We all confine our political discussions, when we have them, here.
Please stay and discuss SW topics with us.
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
this is way too funny, in all ways and im too drunk to be replying, or this would end very ugly see you all tomorrow...


I see nothing funny about what we are discussing here. Thess are serious issues. One person has left the forum. Ric and I were at each others throat. I see nothing funny about this. Next time don't get so drunk. It can cause health problems especially for your liver. But, do as you will.


Starkiller I will respond to you tomorrow as it is I am too tired to do it now.
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I see nothing funny about what we are discussing here. Thess are serious issues. One person has left the forum. Ric and I were at each others throat. I see nothing funny about this.


thats why this thread should so be closed...
this is only the beginning...

jimbo is most likely going to make a comment that's just going to set someone off as he always does...
almost better for us...
then his ass is GONE!

"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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I just wish we could find a way to discuss politics without getting mad at each other.
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i agree... but just from what i see from some of the posts...
others beliefs are starting to get under peoples skin...

im all down with a thread about politics but i just dont want things to get out of hand...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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I just think its way too funny. People always get so pissed about politics. For some reason that is hilarious to me and lots of other people too. If it wasn't we wouldn't have political humor.

Don't get me wrong I have very strong beliefs about the issues and wouldn't even think of not voting (Even though living in Illinois pretty much guarantees that Kerry will win).

But let's face it. Talking about Politics or Religions will always get you in trouble. Unless you’re talking to one of those sex alien religious people who just want to be naked and talk about their religion. Are they Raelins or something? Anyway carry on and if I sit back and laugh don't get pissed. I do think this is very important but it's really funny to me because I’m at a distance from your passions. I'm rambling.

See alcohol typing for me again. I'll go now.

“You know, when you think about it, the Ewoks probably just crap over the sides of their tree-huts.”

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But let's face it. Talking about Politics or Religions will always get you in trouble.


thats exactly what i always say on here!!
and they just proved my point!


thx guys
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Don't forget to add sex. Talking about that can get you in trouble, too. It's the less-than-holy trinity.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Next time don't get so drunk.


and miss out on all the fun? hardly...

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It can cause health problems especially for your liver. But, do as you will.


so can so many other things...
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."
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I don't think talking about religion gets people against each other. I'm a catholic, but I don't follow strictly the catholic doutrines, I'm more of an agnostic. I apreciate every single religion there is, I think there are fascinating things in judaism and budism... If someone gets mad or violent or fanatic about their religion, then that person has problems, I mean psychological problems. You can come to me and say "catholics are all a bunch of stupid people", I'd just smile and say "Oh I see, and why?".

And since I'm posting this, and I'm in a hurry right now, lemme ask you guys something: in north america, when you buy a car, the only fuel you can use on it is gasoline? Are there other options (besides diesel, that's for trucks)?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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In some areas you can get M85 (methanol), or Ethanol enhanced gasoline.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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i think thats about it...
unless you have some damn strong wisky... like in Back to the Future III...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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I forgot about propane and NGV (natural gas-powered vehicles), but conversions tend to suck the life out of your engine.

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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In my experience talking about sex usually lands you in bed with more than one person.

But I might be different.

“You know, when you think about it, the Ewoks probably just crap over the sides of their tree-huts.”

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You very well might be.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Originally posted by: motti_soL
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so can so many other things...


this is true, just trying to look out for your health my friend.

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Originally posted by: starkiller
Well, George Tenet was put in charge of the CIA by Bill Clinton, if I recall. Bush felt he didn't need to make a change.
And, if this war was really about Oil...Bush could have signed an executive order to drill in the Anwar region of Alaska.
Bingo, dependancy on foreign oil reduced.

I'm no Clinton lover and maybe some of the blame falls to him, Bush is the one that gave the order to go to war its his resposibility as he is the leader. The leader is responsible for the conduct of those under him. And you just said Bush didn't feel the need the leadership of the CIA. Doesn't the fact that Bush left him in place put some of the blame on him? I just can't forgive Bush for making this claim on so little proof.

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First, I believe I made a tiny slip. There are not 80+ "in" Iraq, but there are 80+ as members of the Coalition. Not all of them have troops in Iraq. Some are providing support behind the scenes.
From memory: Italy, Poland, Spain (until mid-March) Japan, South Korea, Australia (England)
From an unofficial website: ...its easier to post the URL: Coalition of the Willing
From a 1+ year old BBC article: Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

many people question how legit this colition is. And the point is by not working with the U.N. but against it, he is creating unneeded enemies. And he is creating this image of a selfish America that won't respect internation law and only care about its own interests. And is increasing the hate that created these terrorist groups in the 1st place.

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No, I cannot. But the task of rooting out terrorists is far harder than attacking Germany.
When WW2, we knew that Germans were in Paris, Berlin, Warsaw and Salzburg. It took us just under 4 years of brute-force, face-to-face (essentially) fighting to end the German threat.
With this war, we do not know where the enemy is. They could be in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran or living next door. The threat is far more hidden from view. If it was like Germany, this war would already be over.
If you have some special gift of divination that can find the terrorists, I'm sure the military would appreciate the help.


I didn't say it would be easy. I just believe that more could be done to get him. Bush has spent too much time,effort, and money getting Saddam and not enough on getting Bin Laden. If you ask me Bin Laden is the bigger threat. He is to blame for 9-11 not Saddam.

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Let me use another example. It something I recall hearing people discuss last year.
You pull into a gas station. Gas is $1.02 per gallon. You fill up.
2 weeks later, you need more gas. WTF!!! Gas is up to $1.20 per gallon. Oh well, you need the gas, so you pay it.
Another 2 weeks. Gas is now $1.13 per gallon. You are now happy, because gas isn't $1.20 anymore.
But gas is still 11 cents higher than it was 4 weeks ago.
Gas now hovers around that $1.13 area. I've just been punked by the gas companies.

Now, instead of the price of gas, let's say we're talking about what the general public will tolerate in the media.
Horror before 1945 was The Wolfman, Frankenstein, Dracula. Practically no blood, gore or language and some violence.
Horror since 1980 is Nightmare on Elm Street, Jason, Freddy vs Jason, Child's Play, etc. Plenty of blood, gore, language and general violence.

People push the envelop, then someone has to push a little farther. Eventually, what the first people did to push the envelop is acceptable and commonplace. Its been a slow evolution.

I view the places this "envelop pushing" is going to be crude, harmful, unneccessary and not representative of the US general population.
However, you may view the same material to be perfectly harmless.
Its all a matter of perspective and remembering what things were like in the past.

I hope I'm adequately showing you what I meant this time.


Well its more clear this time. But as I said before how far is too far? and who decides? you? me? the government? And what about freedom of expression and the 1st Amendment. Finally and I'm sure you've been told this before but if you don't like Nightmare on Elm Street, Jason, Freddy vs Jason, Child's Play, etc. do what I do, don't watch 'em I hate them too. and I love the classic horror movies. That was when you had to be able to act in order to play the monster effectivly.

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Kerry gives me the impression that he'd invite Osama over to the White House for milk and cookies to discuss some sort of arrangement to "end" the war, not unike how Clinton payed off North Korea to "stop its nuclear testing".
Kerry hasn't shown me anything that says he can do things in the war on terror any better than Bush.

I doubt that he'd invite Bin Laden over to the the White House for milk and cookies unless is was part of some sort of trap to capture Bin Laden. And for all we know Kerry may be no better than Bush but we won't know unless we give him a try. And he will have a better chance of gaining more world support than Bush who is so hated by many in the world. Just look at what some people think of him on this forum. Some think he is the next Hitler. Now I'm not saying he is but, if you thought Bush was the next Adolf Hitler would you be more likely to work with him and his country or against them? Would you be more likely to help find the terrorist that attacked his nation or would you try to help the terrorist escape capture?

Someone mentioned the environment. What, specifically, were you thinking of that Bush did that was anti-environment? With the War and the economy, blah, blah, blah, I haven't heard a thing on the environment for a long, long time.


for what I know Bush is not exactly regarded as a friend to the environment.

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Originally posted by: starkiller

Really quickly, I also wanted to speak quickly to Switch Radic.
Yes, debates might not change people's minds, but debate can allow people who have not made up their minds to view both sides of an issue and make a more educated opinion.
There really is no need to leave the originaltrilogy.com forums. If you are uninterested and turned off by the non-Star Wars debate, to be quite honest, you don't need to open the Off Topic forum.
Stick to the General Discussion or Theatrical vs. Special Edition forums. We all confine our political discussions, when we have them, here.
Please stay and discuss SW topics with us.
on this we agree, please stay Radic.

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Originally posted by: Mackey256
In my experience talking about sex usually lands you in bed with more than one person.

But I might be different.


In my experience talking about sex makes my face get slaped several times. Or end ups with me saying "ok, let's go to the point, how much do you charge?"
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Lol! yeah I think you'd be more likely to get slapped than end up in bed with anyone.