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hot noodles over on the TN1 forums has discovered that they have added flashes to 19SE to cover the bendy blades.

There may be more flashes added.

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I don’t think this one was mentioned. Versions prior to the 4K version there was a brief shot or two where Obi-Wan’s lightsaber was left uncolored. This was corrected in the 4K version.

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Not a Special Edition change but something caught my attention tonight. Ive recently been doing some VHS digitizing and recently digitized my 1995 ‘Faces’ set and was watching a DVD I did of the ESB tape and I noticed something. At one point during the TIE Fighter/Falcon chase in the asteroid field I noticed that for a brief point of the chase the fighters laser blasts were blue. I thought 'weren’t those supposed to be green??". I went and checked a DVD I burnt of my 1992 VHS and sure enough green laser blasts. I then thought “maybe this was a change for the 1993/‘GOUT’ master??” since the ‘Faces’ set uses those masters. Went and checked my GOUT DVD and believe it or not GREEN laser blasts. So I thought “huh so for the VHS master they changed them to blue?? Strange but interesting.”

For comparison here’s some shots from the GOUT.

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And here’s the VHS.

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Anyways just found this interesting. I can’t comment on the Laserdisc versions since I dont own them nor have a player for them. I do have the Widescreen ‘Faces’ set but its at my other place. Maybe one of these days I’ll check that set too.

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My VHS copy of Faces did not have blue lasers at any point, I assure you of that.

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Maybe it was a restoration glitch that was corrected at some point?? I just checked a DVD I burnt of an earlier attempt of capturing my ESB VHS from about 10 years ago and that too has the blue laser bolts.

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^ My VHS copy of the fullscreen ESB has the blue lasers as well , I have always wondered about this , even asked about it in these forums several times over the years .Restoration glitch seems the most likely to me …not much info on it out there though .

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I watched Faces 100 times, how could I miss this. I suppose I was a child.

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doubleofive said:

I watched Faces 100 times, how could I miss this. I suppose I was a child.

It was the first copy I ever owned and I’m sure I watched those tapes about the same amount of times hahaha and I only noticed this last night!

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Don’t know if this was mentioned but the Digitalbits article on the 4K version of ANH mentions that the speeder was shifted slightly to the right in this scene. That’s not actually correct. The image is cropped somewhat more in the 4K version compared to the 04/11 versions.

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crissrudd4554 said:

Don’t know if this was mentioned but the Digitalbits article on the 4K version of ANH mentions that the speeder was shifted slightly to the right in this scene. That’s not actually correct. The image is cropped somewhat more in the 4K version compared to the 04/11 versions.

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YOU DOUBT ME?!

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What’s really messed up is not only is it moved over slightly, the left side of the speeder is in the same place, like they pasted it on top of itself?

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[doubleofive said:]
YOU DOUBT ME?!

I STAND CORRECTED! 😉 Good catch!

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More example of the blue laser bolts from the Faces VHS of Empire from earlier in the scene.

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One last post regarding the Faces Empire tape. One thing you might notice is for some odd reason, despite that its essentially the 1993 master converted to full screen, the image is slightly stretched horizontally but I also noticed it shows slightly more image at the top. For comparison here’s a shot from the VHS…

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…and the same shot from the GOUT converted to 4:3. I tried to get the framing accurate.

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I am new to this forum and I’m just wondering what the closest versions to the original theatrical releases are online?

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A I said:

I am new to this forum and I’m just wondering what the closest versions to the original theatrical releases are online?

If you’re looking to go as authentic as possible, then 4K77 and 4K83 are the ideal option. They’re downloadable on thestarwarstrilogy.com.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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ORIGINAL TRILOGY - Theatrical to 1997 Special Edition changes

STAR WARS
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4334040

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=2005824

RETURN OF THE JEDI
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=17858

Copy pasted with only Theatrical and Special Edition comparisons left. From https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/An-Index-Help-Thread-for-Theatrical-Cuts-vs-Subsequent-Releases/id/57572/page/1#1519369

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Are you sure the planet matte element was not recomposited also?

In the Original the Blue Haze faded into the star field…There were scratches on it

Now it has a hard blue line and a lot of saturation and gain was added to the planet and no scratches anymore

97 version retained the original look no scratches

after that it went the hard edge blue line and boosted up.

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This is some serious stuff

Remember, Highlander, you’ve both still got your full measure of life. Use it well, and your future will be glorious.

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Hey guys 😃 Is there a comprehensive comparison list of the 2019 changes discovered so far? I went trough the first post and couldn’t find one.

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Unfortunately I only have a really comprehensive list for RotJ so far. Waiting for 4K77 V2 before doing ANH and 4K80 for ESB.

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Since I just finished my edit of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, I have a few notes and changes to add for your series of comparisons. I know this thread is for Star Wars, but since bluesky doesn’t have DMs, I didn’t want to send an unprompted thread your way over there.

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I don’t think this is a recomposite, as you don’t see any additional clarity to the live action. Rather, it’s a modification on top of the theatrical effect (you can see the borders of the view-screen altered if you brighten up the shot).

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“The explosion has much more detail thanks to the HDR pass”
Not really what’s happening (as this is an SDR image), it’s just that the colorgrade shows more highlight detail.

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This shot is not recomposited (same exact frame geometry), it’s just that the smeary filter they run a lot of effects shots through in the theatrical master hits it really badly here.

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Also not recomposited, they stabilized the background to remove a jump that’s part of the theatrical effect and isolated the Enterprise to keep its motion on the original path (and removed the matte lines with a chroma-key).

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The color grading also brightens their faces a little when the lightening strikes.

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Not recomposited, that’s all differences due to color grading.

As you’ve no doubt realized, they do a ton of changes via color grading and messing with Davinci Resolve throughout the film and cataloging every one would be an enormous and probably fruitless endeavor (my favorite, which I can’t find now, is an inexplicable one-frame replacement of Uhura’s finger). However, I feel the following differences change the reality of the frame and more substantially alter the mise-en-scene in the way the other changes do.


For these shots of Kirk, the DE selectively brightens his face (very awkwardly).


The DE removes the shadow of the lighting rig that falls on Chekhov. Comparison w/ the SLV (Tone-mapped and brightness matched with theatrical bluray).


This shot is also colorgraded to make the deflector dish amber.


The DE re-frames this shot to show all of the man on the left, taking advantage of the fact that section of the frame would be on the original negative (and which would have been matted out by the soundtrack portion of release prints). Comparison w/ the SLV.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture DE - The Anti-DNR Fanedit
Duel (1971) - The Hybrid Cut
The Phantom of the Opera - 1925 Version Reconstruction - Rare Scores Collection - Roy Budd Score

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Thank you for all your work over the years on these. Always an invaluable reference.

Further thoughts:
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Brightening this up reveals that they selectively colorgraded the workbee’s cargo to be grey rather than it’s original tan. (there’s a lot of selective coloring throughout, so I don’t know if you necessarily want to mention it, but it is a change that’s part of the recomp).

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I might note the new layers they add to this recomp:
There’s a new red light layer over the nacelles. I am very confused on what this is meant to represent (light casting on them from inside the window?) but it looks intentional. The “warp sled” of Spock’s vessel is matted differently and has lost the steady running light on it (though the blinking lights are still present). There is also a new element meant to represent a reflection on the Enterprise’s window (it’s in front of the warp sled).


This is a recomp. (Hard to tell because of how dark they made it, but if you brighten it up, you can see the differences in how the the dry dock is aligned + the starfield is different).

Star Trek: The Motion Picture DE - The Anti-DNR Fanedit
Duel (1971) - The Hybrid Cut
The Phantom of the Opera - 1925 Version Reconstruction - Rare Scores Collection - Roy Budd Score