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Dune - radical fan edit ideas — Page 4

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benduwan said:

4throck said:

Again 100% agree. If you are able to show the water sellers that would be great.

Related to narration, perhaps the cutscenes from Dune2000 (game) offer something usable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Is3sVVniQ

For example, around 29:00 they talk about the shield wall being breached.
The visuals are too low resolution but perhaps the audio is usable.

You also have cutscenes from Emperor: Battle for Dune. Here are some:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYYq-t90rQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eODItHK7wbM

there are all new scenes create for the game or some cut scenes from the movie?

Before Dr Yueh scans the fremen house servants in the Palace with Jessica there was a small dialogue bit about the water sellers which is unreleased. The shot of fremen outside the palace gates though is on the DVD.

He says something like “can you hear the water sellers calling Souk Souk” or something like that… It is in the script. But there is no further elaboration on this or that water selling was banned and a better system of free rationing was employed by the atreides.

The problem is that we never get a sense of the oppresssion the harkonnens inflicted on the fremen and how the atreides were much more compassionate.

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“there are all new scenes create for the game or some cut scenes from the movie?”

New scenes created for the game(s), Dune 2000 uses some movie elements as stock footage.

Emperor: Battle for Dune has more interesting scenes. Here the Fremen fight the Harkonen:
https://youtu.be/mg-4O-4llNk?t=317
I wonder if one could rip the cinematics in better quality…

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Ronster said:

The problem is that we never get a sense of the oppresssion the harkonnens inflicted on the fremen and how the atreides were much more compassionate.

Indeed. Perhaps you can source something from the TV series ? It’s hard because visually they don’t match…

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I can’t find a solution to the fremen oppression prior to atreides take over of Arrakis just yet as an idea

It is really a tricky one… unless there is some sort of fremen text or something that could be quoted about the Harkonnen rule of Arrakis and express a hatred of them instead of the dedication to fredrico deLaurentis at the very start I honestly can’t think of a place to handle this or how to begin to sow that thread.

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When the Atreides land at Arrakis the fremen are watching from a distance. You might be able to add narration there.

A text report might also work (why not)

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4throck said:

When the Atreides land at Arrakis the fremen are watching from a distance. You might be able to add narration there.

A text report might also work (why not)

The Irulian narration starts with 'A begining is a very delicate time…"

What she is referring to is House atreides being granted control over the CHOAM contract of Arrakis.

So here is a brief text to try and now set up the prologue narration…

“The CHOAM contract held by House Harkonnen for 80 years to mine Spice on Arrakis has expired. it has been found not only to have been in breach with corruption but also exploitation, with spice flow down at it’s lowest capacity ever will not be renewed. The great houses of the landsraad agreed unamiously with the Emperor’s decision to award the contract to Vladamir Harkonnen’s arch enemy, House Atreides and Duke Leto the Just in fief entire”

Then after Irulian and “A begining is a delicate time”

This is the best I can come up with as a preface… I am pretty sure I seen some sort of concept art for an atreides talking in front of a crowd or something perhaps another missing scene? Anyway this took ages to think up…

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Ronster,you´re working now on a dune extented version with all unused scenes?

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No I am going to do segments of it.

What I plan is to do is first 30 minutes, trip to Arrakis, Harvester destruction by sandworm harkonnen Raid, Ornithopter crash. Water of Life.

And any smalll individual shots like Harkonnen lights in the cliffs, Geidi prime landing field, sandworm filmbook Stuff like this.

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Ronster said:
So here is a brief text to try and now set up the prologue narration…

Yes, text + narration might work. It’s uncommon but it might work here.

I’m looking at the Emperor - Battle for Dune cutscenes, and you have two fremen discussing Harkonen oppression there (second Atreides cutscene). Quality is too low to use the visuals, and there’s music in the background. But it might be usable.

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4throck said:

Ronster said:
So here is a brief text to try and now set up the prologue narration…

Yes, text + narration might work. It’s uncommon but it might work here.

Yeah it is not ideal but because I have edited the opening narration visually and music I am hoping that the text will simply be a preface the music starts on.

I suppose it is a bit like an opening crawl. There really is no other way to hit up the film and explain in a straightforward way what is going on.

So this is the only solution.

Text will appear over Spice gas…

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Looking forward to it!

Text + narration over moving images might also work latter on (as we discussed before).
I have no problem with reframed or recycled footage being used on this context.

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Just watched the purist edit of Dune posted recently… There is not much to say about it… It is good in some respects, and it handled a few things well however it is one of those edits that put’s up still images to explain some of the missing scenes which is fine, trouble with that in this edit is that it has missed loads and loads of the missing material practically 3/4 of what I have cited from the script is not present.

It only mentions in this regard in terms of stills

The Bulls Head
Paul is to look after Harah and the 2 children after Jamis is killed
A scene where Harah accepts Paul does not love her like Chani
Fremen training weirding way
Birth of Alia
Rabaan in the Bath tub
Torture of Nefud

It misses out

Extended Dialogue Pauls training
Baron Harkonnen Opening speech
Jessica is thought to be the traitor by Thuffer
The Fremen water sellers outside the palace Dr yueh explaining about them
Duke Leto telling Paul about the plot to make him suspect Jessica as the traitor
Sandworm Filmbook sequence
Death of Liet in the desert (Pre spice mass)
Jessica’s vision of Paul Dead in the Palace
Gurney attacks Jessica thinking she was the traitor who brought down house Atreides
Alia stuggling to be accepted in the sietch
Choam and Guild reports
Feyed kills Sandarkar Captain
Thuffer does his best to make the Baron nervous on Geidi prime
The Wind trap and plants Stilgar shows to Paul in the Sietch
Lights in the cliffs and the Ornithopters taking off to get the Harkonnen Spies
and a lot of individual small shots

I think the point is if you are going to do this type of edit Include all of the material that has been cited in the script as it was based on the concept of Fritz Lang Metropolis re-construction. What scenes would make the final edit is up for contention but surely missing big important sub plots is not really good. Back to the drawing board I feel on this one…

The edit might be based on 7th Draft but the film was already shooting as of the 5th Draft.

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I actually love the Metropolis reconstruction with dubbed dialog, but that’s another discussion 😉

Looking at your list, perhaps you should try a “miniseries” format ?
Add those images/ narration as recaps/teaser and edit an “episode” for each plot point.
Repeat scenes if needed, perhaps to give different character POVs.
You might get something similar to Game of Thrones out of it…

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As we have already stated without the material being made available it is not possible really to fix it all until made available.

I don’t really want to go the route of putting up stills and texts explaining, no point could have just listed the scenes in a short video or in text like I have done here, no need to watch the film really for that.

The reason for the text opening I am going to do is a substitute for the missing dialogue from Paul’s training on Caladan and to give meaning to the introduction.

The only thing that can not be fixed is Characters missing scenes… If you edit the film properly and correctly it will come in shorter than the TV cut by quite a bit so these scenes listed some of them are very short some of them are full length.

Just noticing the assaination attempt on Paul the shot coming to the Room is Shadout Mapes POV before she opens the door… So the editing is uncombined making two scenes that are in fact only one scene.

The whole Sietch stuff with the Plants and fremen training were condensed between water drops so again it is a montage Alias birth is probably extended montage on the existing shots. In many cases It sounds more than it is when in Reality I see about just over 3 hours movie now with everything in that list when edited properly…

The Main Bulk is The Water of Life Reshoot and the 7 scenes that went deleted.

We can attribute small extensions to montages and some extended dialogue weaved in also but It will only go for about 3 hours… Once the clunkyness is removed it would make way for more meaningful material.

Let’s try and figure out what the 7 scenes were my guess

  1. Rabaan in the Bath tub* (Prior to water of Life)
  2. Torture of Nefud
  3. Gurney attacks Jessica thinking she was the traitor who brought down house Atreides (Prior to Water of Life and reason for taking the water of Life)
  4. Alia stuggling to be accepted in the sietch (Prior to water of Life)
  5. CHOAM & GUILD REPORTS* (Prior to water of Life)
  6. Feyed kills Sandarkar Captain
  7. Thuffer does his best to make the Baron nervous on Geidi prime

*Montage with ALia’s Abduction Remember That the emperor is landing during the water of Life sequence and The reverand Mother has her nosebleed on the ship. This Could very well be the exising montage in the film just with some missing material. This is Part of the Water of Life Sequence.

If 1 and 5 are the same scene that just leaves Paul and Chani’s Son’s death or Alternatively Harah’s Childrens Deaths as Paul was the guardian.

The Removal of the sub plot that Jessica was thought to be the traitor caused much of the problems.

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I think a truly radical edit would be to combine ideas from both Jodorowsky’s unmade Dune with the David Lynch film …a couple of ideas that I put together a while back…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf9hIx1Maio and also …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lXkjj_6WQg I would definitely use some of the ideas in this thread and combine them with concept art from both projects for my dream edit . I love the Lynch film , but would drastically tone down the over the top villainy of the Baron Harkonen and his nephews , and it always bugged me that Dr. Yeuh’s being revealed as the traitor was telegraphed from a mile away .

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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^ I like that . One small suggestion…slow down the text at the beginning …it went by too fast for me to read and process it and I had to pause it a couple times . I really like what you did with the film book and look forward to seeing more .

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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Thanks,

I planned to polish it more and use a better video source but work got in the way…

It is not finished basically but the ideas are there.

There is still a bit to do few more shots… I agree the text is too fast.

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Good stuff with the opening. It works well 😁

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Cheers, I think with the opening like this and a few other tweaks here and there could pave the way for a slightly better Dune than even the Spicediver version.

Let’s wait and see if we get any more of that missing material.

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That is really cool 4thRock.

Nice One, I thank you for this.

I have some time on my hands at the moment now but for the time being at least before / after christmas there is a need to focus some attention on an old project and address something I ran away from confronting. I won’t say anymore than this.

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Fantastic ideas guys

Assimilate THIS!

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Nandi said:

Fantastic ideas guys

Well The Koch Media release is actually including the Spicediver fan edit…Wow interesting.

The Arrow release only has the theatrical cut with load of swag but apparently a documentary missing that will make it on to the koch media 7 disc set.

But considering they went through the OCN It’s a damn shame they never scanned the whole lot? Or atleast the scenes we know about ot perhaps that will come at some later point or never.

While David Lynch sit’s meditating on Dune… I am confident It can be fixed and he could fix it, there are obvious bits in the wrong order like the hunter seeker scene shadout mapes coming to the door the shadow in the corridor shot is yueh before he get’s Leto. There is another thing the shot of Alia with the Cris knife in slow motion over the dead Sandakur is actually when she is abducted not the victory of the atreides…There is a preceeding shot for whence the sandakar are walking the deseart at night and suddenly act surprised then we see Alia and we learn she is captured. Audio issues from crap TV cut bad music choices.

I’d forgive him if he did the effects in CGI made to look like old models and did his vision someone pay the man!

We’ve gone through it and it can be done all that is needed is the missing scenes any Space ship shots and dream sequences is easily done in a computer. The material is there stop being so stubborn Mr.Lynch heal the wound and do it providing you get paid of course but also providing you don’t ask too much and it’s personal gratification that you do finally have final cut.