It haunting him forever is not a failure. It leads to his redemption.
As I said. Purely in service to Kylo’s arc. Han was not sacrificing himself for his son’s sake. He was trying to bring his son back with him. Han is discarded so that his death can be just another part of Kylo’s journey as a character.
And yet it allowed the Resistance to destroy Starkiller.
What was Luke supposed to do? If he showed up on Crait, the FO would’ve annihilated him immediately.
It was a choice between possibly dying by going to Crait himself, or definitely dying by projecting himself there.
Are you kidding? Ben realizes that Leia really did love him. And it was the Han hallucination that redeemed him.
Did she raise him in a way that Ben didn’t know that? What you’re describing is just headcanon.
Dude, the literal reason she sent Ben to Luke was because she saw him as another Vader. She overcomes this when training Rey, whom she knew as Palps’ grandkid.
Ben also felt betrayed by Han and Luke, as established in TFA and TLJ, respectively.
She literally just says his name.
Why else would Kylo stop there?
And of course, the idea of Ben hallucinating his father forgiving him is laughable.
Subjective.
Saving Rey from becoming Palpatine’s vessel, reminding her she is valuable (fo’ anotha’ discussion…) and allowing the future heir to the Skywalkers’ legacy and future trainer of Jedi to live on is not doing nothing.
Why is her life more valuable than his? All Ben amounts to in the end is just a lifeline for Rey. He has no agency as a hero beyond this. He doesn’t even have dialogue!
Ben is making up for his mistakes and loves Rey. He had no idea resurrecting her would kill him. By your logic, Vader had no agency when saving Luke from Palps.
Luke became a legend post-RotJ because him redeeming Darth Vader - the most hated man in the galaxy - broke the galaxy’s expectations. The galaxy thought he was infalliable. Him standing up to the FO, being “invincible” from their laser blasts and humiliating the Supreme Leader in front of his own troops is why the galaxy renewed hope.
They had to have received this info from either the Resistance or the FO troops whose leader was publicly humiliated.
To someone unfamiliar with the concept of Force projection, the encounter would be completely nonsensical.
Why?
And why would First Order troops spread a story in a way that humiliated their leader?
To undermine him and mock him. It’s like kids mocking their parents behind their backs.
The Resistance would try to spread it, but they’re just a shipful of people at that point.
And?
Ah, yes, as if making up for your mistakes isn’t a concept that exists.
Except he didn’t. He did the bare minimum of what should have been expected him. He fixed nothing. He just stopped things from getting any worse after the situation had already fatally deteriorated.
They didn’t know where Exegol was. THAT’S THE POINT OF THE ENTIRE MOVIE.
Why weren’t they fighting the First Order all this time? An absurdly large fleet like that could have destroyed the FO decisively during TLJ. And if they were fighting, then clearly the “Resistance” we’ve been following is just a sideshow compared to the real war going on offscreen.
Again, the FO is not doing well. And we literally see them standing up at the end of TROS.
Because they are the focus of the ST. Because they are the ones we have a connection to.
If the only reason to focus on them is because of the audience’s personal connection to them, then I’d say the movies fail, because I never felt a connection to those characters, nor is the Resistance an interesting faction to watch. All of the interesting stuff was apparently happening offscreen.
FUCKING SUBJECTIVE.
I’ve already told you that the FO isn’t doing too well. It’s literally Kylo’s motivation.
That’s your headcanon. You’re thinking about this more than JJ Abrams did.
Reread my posts. They’re backed by in-movie evidence.
Again, the old ones overcame their mistakes.
The mistakes that were made up offscreen in order for the ST to take place. And no, they didn’t overcome them. Han was still a smuggler who abandoned his family
Han NEVER abandoned his family. He and Leia went to deal with the guilt of losing Ben in their own separate ways. They say as much in TFA. It’s just he didn’t want to face Ben because he was blinded by guilt.
then got killed when he tried to reconnect with them.
Again, it allowed the Resistance to destroy Starkiller. D’Qar would’ve been destroyed had it not been for Han.
Luke was still a callous fool who abandoned the galaxy to the Dark Side, then died giving a diversion after most of the Resistance was already killed and the villains had basically won.
And his actions inspired the galaxy anyway.
They’d rather avoid becoming another Empire.
The PT-era Republic didn’t have a bloodthirsty Empire breathing down its shoulder, clearly intending to destroy it. If they did, some sort of defense force made of recruits from different member worlds would have been a given.
The Trade Federation in TPM and the Separatists pre-clones in AOTC say otherwise.
And when the Old Republic did have an outside, hostile Empire invading it during the KOTOR and SWTOR era, of course they had a military, because they weren’t fools.
THAT undermines the PT. And THAT’S no longer canon, too.
NO, HOW Palps survived is NOT a huge plot point. If it were, TROS would be another mystery-themed story like Gravity Falls.
It’s a freaking MASSIVE plot point. It has enormous repercussions for the story of the ST and the saga as a whole, and for the future of the setting since Palpatine could easily just return again. Just glossing over it and expecting the audience to not ask questions about it is ridiculous and insulting. You don’t even need to spend that much time on it. Just don’t beat around the bush with words like “Somehow”. Put some thought into it, and tell us how it happened.
Dude, Palpatine has NO OTHER CLONES BY TROS, and Rey killed him for good but NOT IN HATRED. And if they DO bring him back post-TROS, it WOULD undermine Rey’s arc (that’s fo’ anotha’ discussion, too). Lucasfilm wouldn’t want to do that.
Dude, Palpatine literally explains to Anakin that Plagueis couldn’t cheat death but could only save others.
That counts as “cheating death.” It’s just clunky dialogue. Who do you think he’s talking about? Who else would it be?
Dude, “cheat death” refers to keeping yourself alive. Look it up. And he CAN’T be referring to Anakin wanting to save Padme. Otherwise Anakin would be upset that Palps lied to him about knowing how to save Padme.