I’m saying Palpatine didn’t reclaim the galaxy in the ST.
He did. The First Order was essentially a puppet state to Palpatine, and the First Order effectively controlled the galaxy, so yes, he did.
“The FO was just the beginning” is vague. The line immediately precedes his offer to give Kylo “so much more”.
They prevented the complete takeover in TROS.
The takeover had already happened. The First Order was already in power.
I’m saying it wasn’t complete.
And yet the OT heroes DO overcome their failures. Luke becomes the legend he was meant to be and allows the galaxy to rise up on Exegol and defeat the FO across the galaxy. The Republic is inherently flawed, so the galaxy >cooperates in TROS.
Han dies a failure. His death is purely in service to Kylo’s arc.
It haunting him forever is not a failure. It leads to his redemption.
Luke commits suicide by trolling his nephew from a remote location.
What was Luke supposed to do? If he showed up on Crait, the FO would’ve annihilated him immediately.
Leia dies to send a message to Ben that somehow redeems him
Are you kidding? Ben realizes that Leia really did love him. And it was the Han hallucination that redeemed him.
and Ben then proceeds to contribute nothing for the rest of the film besides reviving Rey.
Saving Rey from becoming Palpatine’s vessel, reminding her she is valuable (fo’ anotha’ discussion…) and allowing the future heir to the Skywalkers’ legacy and future trainer of Jedi to live on is not doing nothing.
The “legend” of Luke’s actions on Crait is ridiculous. How did the story spread? How would people even make sense of what happened there? Luke taunts Kylo, then disappears. This action is just the bare minimum to keep the Resistance alive, which Luke should have been helping from the start.
Luke became a legend post-RotJ because him redeeming Darth Vader - the most hated man in the galaxy - broke the galaxy’s expectations. The galaxy thought he was infalliable. Him standing up to the FO, being “invincible” from their laser blasts and humiliating the Supreme Leader in front of his own troops is why the galaxy renewed hope.
They had to have received this info from either the Resistance or the FO troops whose leader was publicly humiliated.
It does not excuse his abandonment of his family and the galaxy in the hands of a monster he helped create.
Ah, yes, as if making up for your mistakes isn’t a concept that exists.
And why do the people of the galaxy only show up to help when Lando convinces them? Were they already organized and ready to fight?
They didn’t know where Exegol was. THAT’S THE POINT OF THE ENTIRE MOVIE.
If so, why weren’t we following that resistance instead of this little measly one.
Because they are the focus of the ST. Because they are the ones we have a connection to.
Or did they just wait a year after Luke’s death for no reason?
I’ve already told you that the FO isn’t doing too well. It’s literally Kylo’s motivation.
And? What’s wrong with paving the way for new heroes?
Paving the way for new heroes shouldn’t come at the needless expense of the old heroes. That’s bad storytelling.
Again, the old ones overcame their mistakes.
Reread my point: “It’s just that they refused to militarize because they became the Empire because they militarized in AotC. Remember, they had no military before AotC. They inferred that demilitarizing would make sure >they never become another Empire.”
Except the Republic knows that the Empire still exists, is still out there somewhere gathering strength, and is still entirely hostile. When there is a large, looming hostile faction beyond your borders that fully intends to reclaim its territory from you and destroy you, total demilitarization is suicide.
They’d rather avoid becoming another Empire.
Dude, they imply he’s survived death in ROTJ, backed by ROTJ literally showing us that he did blow up twice.
It doesn’t matter what you thought they were “implying.” Implying is not explaining.
How is implying not explaining? They’re giving us information without explicitly telling us that.
Throwaway lines aren’t enough for a huge plot point like this.
NO, HOW Palps survived is NOT a huge plot point. If it were, TROS would be another mystery-themed story like Gravity Falls. And did you really expect 10 minutes of prequel-level exposition?
Do you really think “To cheat death is an ability only one had achieved, but if we work together, I know we can >discover the secret” referred to Plagueis?
Yes. That’s right.
Dude, Palpatine literally explains to Anakin that Plagueis couldn’t cheat death but could only save others.