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Is the unaltered original trilogy an alternate universe now?

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Is it possible that the unaltered trilogy is an alternate universe since the special edition universe is canon with the sequel trilogy since Hayden had roles in both Return of the Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker films? Is it possible that the prequel and sequel trilogys never happened in the unaltered trilogy timeline? I think they could have still happened after reading responses from theforce.net forum. It depends on preference. I prefer original unaltered trilogy to special editions.

I think it would be interesting if the unaltered original trilogy is an alternate universe to the prequel and sequel trilogies.

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I tend to think of it that way, yes. The unaltered OT has no distinct canon status that sets it apart, at least not officially, but I tend to think of it as existing in its own canon “bubble” of sorts. A bubble where maybe the events of the prequel trilogy did take place, but in a slightly different way than the prequels we got.

Officially, it may just be considered a non-canon “obsolete” version of the trilogy, but we certainly don’t have to see it that way. For the sake of simplicity, present and future content will always be created with the Special Editions in mind as canon (though Han shooting first at the end of Solo may have muddied the waters a bit), but in the end, it’s all just a matter of preference.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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So in the SE universe Han shoots first in Solo. He feels guilty so he hesitates in Ep4.

In the OUT universe he hesitates in solo and shoots first in Ep4. Because he did not in solo.

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No, it is the only universe.

And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as the Son of the Suns.

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Yes, it’s an alternate universe purely by virtue of being disendorsed by its creator. The way I see it, the original three films and any connected EU (Marvel Comics, Splinter, Zahn novels etc) are a completely separate canon that ends in 1997 at which point everything is rebooted.

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Its an insult to see a fully realized and secondary world like the original Star Wars as a rough draft the way Lucas does. He is entitled to his very wrong opinion. Along with convincing himself Han always shot second.

Its kind of insane that he never liked the movie, the one that shattered box office records, made him a multi millionaire before the age of 40. Put Lucasfilm and ILM on the map. Changed the entire focus and direction of the film industry towards blockbusters.

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JadedSkywalker said:

Its an insult to see a fully realized and secondary world like the original Star Wars as a rough draft the way Lucas does. He is entitled to his very wrong opinion. Along with convincing himself Han always shot second.

Its kind of insane that he never liked the movie, the one that shattered box office records, made him a multi millionaire before the age of 40. Put Lucasfilm and ILM on the map. Changed the entire focus and direction of the film industry towards blockbusters.

In a sense, it makes sense that he feels that way. George has always been a perfectionist at heart, and of course, the production of the OT was riddled with compromises and technical limitations. Issues that seem small to us may have gnawed at him for those 20 years. He probably got uncomfortable just rewatching the OT and seeing those effects shots he wished could have been done differently.

Yes, it’s an alternate universe purely by virtue of being disendorsed by its creator. The way I see it, the original three films and any connected EU (Marvel Comics, Splinter, Zahn novels etc) are a completely separate canon that ends in 1997 at which point everything is rebooted.

That’s a good way of putting it. George and Lucasfilm essentially disowned the original films, so the Special Editions are basically the establishment of a new continuity (as well as being different films, in the same way that the cuts of Justice League are two separate films).

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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LexX said:

No, it is the only universe.

I agree with this.
But if the unaltered Original Trilogy was to appear in full HD or 4K quality on Disney Plus, as part of their recent Vintage Collection, then I would not care that LucasFilm or Disney tell us the only official version is the 2019 Maclunkey release.

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JadedSkywalker said:

Its an insult to see a fully realized and secondary world like the original Star Wars as a rough draft the way Lucas does. He is entitled to his very wrong opinion. Along with convincing himself Han always shot second.

And lying to everyone else about Han “always shot first” too. Lucas didn’t even manage to keep his own new story straight.

Its kind of insane that he never liked the movie, the one that shattered box office records, made him a multi millionaire before the age of 40. Put Lucasfilm and ILM on the map. Changed the entire focus and direction of the film industry towards blockbusters.

We know he wasn’t happy with certain parts of it for years. But it did seem he came to dislike the movie more around the time of the doing Special Editions and then the Prequels.

Like LexX, for me the original cut version is the only universe.

I would happily take them if they appeared on Disney+ in that “Vintage Star Wars” section, where much of the older Star Wars releases have been made non-canon, but can still be seen in reasonable HD quality.
 

Our own head-canon is what is really important, regardless of what Lucas or Lucasfilm tells us fans what is isn’t or isn’t. Just a pity they actively choose not to release all the different theatrical cuts of all the films for fans to view once more.

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doubleofive said:

“Solo” was clearly written to lead to aspects of the UOT, according to the writers at least. https://variety.com/2018/film/news/solo-a-star-wars-story-han-shot-first-lawrence-jonathan-kasdan-1202812392/

I always liked that about Solo. The film has issues, but it will always have that big plus.
 

The quotes from the Variety article:

“It’s pretty clear, we think,” Lawrence Kasdan says. “And it was a large motivation for both of us.”

Kasdan’s son and co-writer Jonathan adds that there was no room left on the page for interpretation.

“So that the actors knew, and so everyone involved knew, it was explicitly written in the description: ‘There can be no question that Han shoots first.'”

That’s some serious re-tinkering. Fans will no doubt be delighted but what did Lucas think? He certainly didn’t make the initial alteration without giving it serious thought.

“I’m happy to report, not only did George see the movie and like it before, I walked into the premiere with him and he was in a fabulous mood and he really likes this movie,” Lawrence Kasdan says. “So I have to assume that was not some earth-shaking thing for him. Or he’s let it go.”

Adds Jonathan: “Or he feels at peace with it finally.”

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Though I’m generally put off by multiversal shenanigans these days (I’ll never, ever see Everything Everywhere All at Once), a part of me still would like a SW Multiverse to be canonized, if only to say that the OOT and the pre-1999 EU are just as valid as the “real” SW Universe.

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The Original Version of the OT was better than the Special Edition i prefer Sebastian Shaw Force Ghost over Hayden Christensen Force Ghost i think that Vader would have liked more to show himself to his Children as a Father Figure and not as Guy in the same Age of his Children for me the Original Version of the OT is the Real Version of the Movies