I couldn’t find it so I did it myself real quick (maybe I did this on my own originally…)
“And” being cut might be noticeable to some who are aware of the change, but I honestly believe your hypothetical first time viewer, or people who just haven’t seen the movie since release, wouldn’t even notice this change. I moved “Me” up a few frames earlier, and I think the slight shift helps sell it as well.
I like how Finn assumes it’s Ren with such conviction, only to be left not knowing what to say after Rey says it was her. I think this is the simplest way to handle it.
Cross-posting from the general thread, Hal would you consider this for a change in V2?
Hmmm… interesting, indeed. I guess the intention of the scene originally is to let Rey fear joining Kylo on the throne, which ties into his offer later and explains her violent response in trying to kill him on the DSII. Making this scene all about her rather than her and Ren would help the climax a little. Unless their teaming up is viewable as a fulfillment of this fear in an inverted way.
Idk, I guess it’s all right with me, but has anyone dissented?
I don’t disagree with those points. However, I have not seen any negative. For me, it adds more weight to the end because, the vision would now seems more “real” since it’s about HER taking the throne, not her and Kylo … since it’s just her alone with Palps. The theme of her “being alone” is still present in her mind.
Plus, for Ben/Kylo aspect of it … he has not interest in the Past … which the “Sith” would be part of so why does he care about the throne anyway? (Also, the last two movies really made it clear he wasn’t sith … so why all the sudden does it matter?) He’s doing his own thing … so it makes the vision make more sense thematically too.
A different point, I am curious about a merger between Jar Jar’s and RogueLeader’s hanger scene that adjusts Kylo’s dialogue a little to that would further help to bridge this point in that he does not talk about both of them on the throne … but just stopping palpatine/putting him in a nursing home/whatever. If Kylo knows the “plan” on Palps anyway, why would he want Rey to kill Palpatine … if he transfer to her … which is not what he wants … so why? Why not just simply be “stop palpatine” or whatever. Simple and would be EXACTLY what Kylo wants. Have her join him and stop Palpatine.
EDIT: Also, thinking more about the idea of the hanger scene … if achievable to remove the whole “take the throne together,” remember, Kylo at this point has two goals: Have Rey join him to rule the galaxy and remove his enemies, aka the resistance and palpatine. So for the first part, he needs to seduce Rey in a sense. Now … Rey has been training as a Jedi, aka the good guy, why try to seduce her in the lines of “Oh hey, your bad, so lets just go full on bad, take the throne together and become Sith.” That is a blunt way of doing it. But by changing his dialogue more on the lines of “Yeah you are bad, but Palpatine is worse, so let’s stop him together because of our dyadness.” So by leaving out the throne topic of the two of them to literally become QUEEN OF THE SITH BADDIES, it is more on the lines of “Hey, we can stop the REAL bad guy together.”