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Post #1430144

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CaptainFaraday
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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17-May-2021, 9:03 AM

Hal 9000 said:

You mean “all the Sith/Jedi”?

I think by that point in the theater my throat hurt from laughing. I remember really finding it so silly when Palpatine reacted to a second lightsaber being held up, as though to go from 100% confidence to, “Oh, shit, TWO lightsabers kill me.” I’m pretty sure, because we’d been riffing through the whole thing, I leaned over to my brother and said in an Emperor voice, “Oh, no, not TWO lightsabers.”

The “all the Sith” line itself didn’t feel out of place given that the movie alluded to spirit transfer and consciousness merging. I was wondering if that meant Palpatine was Darth Bane in a sense.

The “all the Jedi” line just felt like the obvious response. It was predictable, and didn’t really pack a punch. I was wondering how the Jedi were speaking given ROTS establishing that Yoda felt Qui-Gon had discovered this for the first time.

I also felt the victory moment fell totally flat, saying, “There’s no WAY you can tell me that he’s dead for good this time. NOTHING is different, and certainly not more decisive, than how he died in ROTJ.” It’d be like an episode of Doctor Who making a series-ending-before-hiatus climax about the Master dying; forgetabbowddit!

Jonh’s version of the scene is sublime. It annexes new meaning by having those four specific ghosts show up while the others remain voices, to almost let the ROTS thing make sense. And that closeup of hands being lifted beautifully removes the silliness of having a second saber appear to turn the tide. AND, it now makes sense that Palpatine would be plausibly dead for good, due to the dead themselves tackling him to make sure he makes it to the wood chipper this time.

Pretty much exactly my own take on it too. I’d completely checked out of the movie long before that point in the theatre, and my wife and I were both snickering and rushing to make the same joke about Disney owning Avengers Endgame so they’re safe from being sued.

If the line can possibly be dubbed or deepfaked to something different, I’ll do it in a theoretical personal edit. (I’ve already changed it in the novelisation edit, but that change wouldn’t work in the film version.)

Jonh’s Force Ghosts turn the whole scene into something entirely different. I never expected to feel genuinely emotional at that scene, but when I saw his version, I did.