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@jar Jar, same response/thought that I like the idea, but doesn’t quite work. Unless the audio matches or nearly matches it sticks out. But again, I like the idea of trying to add a little more to Leia’s lines in this movie.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Man, I feel like I’m crazy or something because that example and Poppa’s modified “lately” line sound virtually flawless to me. And I’ve listened to them with laptop speakers, phone speakers, ear buds, and headphones. I’ll just have to add them to my own copy of v2 in the end I suppose.

Are you still including the grunting noises when Leia collapses, Hal?

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

"Destroying the mask doesn’t contradict TLJ. Destroying the mask was out of frustration of being a knock off and failure to live up to Vader, not necessarily to let the past die. When Kylo said let the past die, he meant the Jedi, the Sith, the Empire of Old, etc. and make the future his way, a new order as per his vision.

He resurrected the mask because he felt confident that he could live up to Vader in turning Rey dark and killing Palpatine. He openly told Palpatine twice that he’d kill him after being subservient to Snoke, and actually succeeded in turning Rey to the dark side before Leia turned him back."

Yup. This is pretty much what I’ve been saying for a while now. He was trying to finish what Vader started by letting the past die; get rid of everything except for a new order ruled entirely by himself and those he cares for.

Really? I always thought Kylo Ren was referring to ending the Jedi when he said “finish what [Vader] started”.

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My problem with adding dialogue for Leia is, in TROS she comes across as very still and subdued, the use of the lines from other media seems to contradict her subdued nature.

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ThisIsCreation said:

My problem with adding dialogue for Leia is, in TROS she comes across as very still and subdued, the use of the lines from other media seems to contradict her subdued nature.

I agree for the most part, but that “once we can co-” line sounds perfectly in-character to me.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Just wanna thank Poppa again for the work on the “lately” line. Sounds perfect to me.

No problem! And even if it doesn’t make it into this edit, hopefully you can still use it for your own.

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Concept: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501825149469851659/822566875241906246/Flu_shot_concept.mp4

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Oh wow. I mean, you said not to use it, but what if you turned it way down and added lots of reverb so it’s just noise basically. Maybe change “flu” to “Covid” as a way to really stamp this a work of the pandemic-times. What an Easter Egg! 😉

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TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

"Destroying the mask doesn’t contradict TLJ. Destroying the mask was out of frustration of being a knock off and failure to live up to Vader, not necessarily to let the past die. When Kylo said let the past die, he meant the Jedi, the Sith, the Empire of Old, etc. and make the future his way, a new order as per his vision.

He resurrected the mask because he felt confident that he could live up to Vader in turning Rey dark and killing Palpatine. He openly told Palpatine twice that he’d kill him after being subservient to Snoke, and actually succeeded in turning Rey to the dark side before Leia turned him back."

Yup. This is pretty much what I’ve been saying for a while now. He was trying to finish what Vader started by letting the past die; get rid of everything except for a new order ruled entirely by himself and those he cares for.

Really? I always thought Kylo Ren was referring to ending the Jedi when he said “finish what [Vader] started”.

Yep I feel he only realized what that statement truly meant when Snoke berated him. Up until then, he probably thought it just meant wearing a mask and being subservient to Snoke.

Then in TLJ he realizes he was childish to think a mask made him more like Vader so he destroys it. Then he realizes he really should be the one to replace Snoke with the one he cares for by his side (which is what Vader always wanted).

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Yeah I think some of you guys are being a little harsh, listening to the audio specifically looking for what’s different to point it out that it’s “bad” instead of giving it a chance. Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official? Maybe for some of the lines, but I think Jar Jar’s line added to the training scene works well, and then as for the line added where she gets cut off, I think it should just be slid over to the right like a millisecond so that there’s a bit of an overlap. I might just be trippin idk, but it sort of seems like she stops too quickly to let Rey speak.

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Thanks Sid.

This might seem like a random question, but here it goes anyway. Are the people that dislike the added Leia lines the same ones that dislike the added Knights of Ren voices? Because I’m starting to think it might be possible to simply include a couple of these in an alternate audio track along with those.

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sidshady12 said:

Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official?

100% yes. Sorry. Just being honest.

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Here’s what I’m thinking:

  1. Use “There’s been a lot of that lately” (still confused why some don’t like this one)
  2. Either tighten up the staring between Rey and Leia in the wayfinder scene or do nothing at all there.
  3. Add the subtle grunts to Leia collapsing in the command room.
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What’s the issue with the “for just minutes” line?? I think it’s pretty straightforward:

The original plan is to disable the tower on the ground, when they reach Exegol Pride switches the signal to the command ship, so the plan changes to disable the tower on the ship, they succeed in disabling it, which leaves the ships stuck “for just minutes” (Poe reiterates this by saying “Nav signal’s down, but not for long!”), but Finn decides to take the whole ship down, which leaves the fleet stuck for good.

Of course there’s still the tower on the ground someone could fire back up, but at that point there’s a whole galaxy of ships attacking the Sith Fleet on their bright red weak point so it’s safe to say “they’re toast”. The whole fleet is destoryed, and the people who built it are crushed by rocks, so it’s all taken care of. The whole thing is kinda dumb, but if we removed all the dumb things in this movie we’d be left with nothing. In this case removing the line would turn the plan into a “we do this one thing and we win, period.” wich would massively lower the stakes of the Exegol assault. Instead the plan is to stall the ships from leaving Exegol long enough for Lando to rile up ‘the galaxy’ to come and take them down.

Disabling the navigation systems is not the main goal or the win condition, the plan was always to temporairly delay the Final Order. In fact their “victory” in disabling the tower happens during the ‘lowest point’ in the battle, since “no one is coming to help them”.

That doesn’t make sense though. You’re saying that the entire Sith Fleet is stuck for good because “Finn decides to take the whole [command] ship down.” When was it established that knocking out the command ship would cause a chain reaction and blow up the entire 10,000+ ship fleet? If knocking out the command ship will cripple the entire fleet, why do they even care about the nav tower? Why don’t they go after the command ship in the first place? It’s not like the nav tower is actually a shield generator that’s protecting the command ship, because they establish that “shields don’t work in Exegol’s atmosphere.” And how would that chain reaction work out logistically anyway? Is every ship connected directly to the command ship’s computer? And if so, what do they need the damn nav tower for??

The film makes it very clear that there’s only thing that unites the Sith Fleet - the nav tower signal. You take that out, the ships can’t leave the planet. The command ship isn’t even mentioned - not in the pre-mission briefing when they’re expositing all of this nonsense, not when they arrive on the planet - until it becomes the source of the navigation signal.

And if we ignore all of that and stick with the “command ship” theory anyway, that means we’re trying to do the entire battle sequence without setting up the plan, the goal, the plot, or the stakes. Hal, that’s not “subtlety”; that’s just sloppy writing. We can avoid all of this confusion if we just cut four words from the script. Four words!

It’s not a “theory”, I’m literally just laying out what happens in the movie. I’ve been mostly agreeing with everything you comment on this thread Sherlock, but I think you’re misunderstanding this whole plot point.

When was it established that knocking out the command ship would cause a chain reaction and blow up the entire 10,000+ ship fleet?

That’s not what I’m saying, the fleet is stuck there because they lose the nav signal from the command ship, the ships are blown up by hitting the underbelly cannons, it’s all set up in the pre-mission briefing. It’s not about the ship or the tower, it’s about the nav signal itself. They can’t leave without it.

“Nav signal’s down, but not for long!” is a direct call back to the fact the plan was always to temporairly disable their navigational systems, that’s why soon after Poe says “I don’t know R2, maybe nobody else is coming” and “we’ll have to take them ourselves”, because he thinks they’re losing their ‘window’ to attack the ships while they’re stuck. Otherwise, why not just take down the nav signal and leave until they get the resources to take down the ships? There would be no urgency at all. That’s why it’s important to set up that the ships will only be stuck there temporairly, taking out those four words makes everything worse, we’re left with lower stakes, no urgency, and an even more implausible setup.

Later on in the fight Poe still believes the fleet is only momentairly disabled, which is why he says “This is our last chance, we’ve got to hit those cannons now!”, he doesn’t know Finn is trying to take the command ship down, and so it’s not until he sees the ship blowing up that he realizes “The fleet is stuck here! They’re toast, come on!”. So the whole dynamic of the Exegol assault won’t make sense if you take out those four words.

Oh god, every time I think about any scene in this movie, it gets more and more confusing lol.

Okay, so, here’s the thing. Yes, they establish that hitting the underbelly canons will destroy the ships. Yes, they say they want to disable the Nav beacon. And yes, I agree that the mission is “about the nav signal itself.”

But, like, they don’t need to “temporarily disable” the Nav signal in order to destroy the underbelly canons. The underbelly canons are a weak spot because “Shields don’t work in atmosphere” or whatever. And if - as we agree - “[the ships] can’t leave without [the nav signal],” why is their plan to disable it temporarily instead of permanently? How does that make any sense? And if they are trying to disable it permanently…why don’t we let Poe’s mission briefing establish that?

Also, after Poe says “They’re stuck here! They’re toast!” J.J. kindly cuts to a wide shot of the Sith Fleet:

And in the background of that wide shot, we can see roughly 4200 Super-Duper-Death-Star-Star-Destroyers (classic SDDSSDs) still hovering perfectly in formation, completely unopposed, completed un-blown up. Yet Poe isn’t screaming “Hurry! The Nav Signal is destroyed and they can’t leave the planet! We have to blow them all up before they don’t leave the planet!” He’s just like, “Nah man, they’re stuck.” And they get outta there without exploding any more ships.

So, given that they unconcernedly leave a whole bunch of ships behind; and that, if the navigation signal is gone, they won’t be able to navigate off of the planet, my read of the situation is:

  1. They send a sabotage crew in to destroy the navigation tower.
  2. They send an aerial crew for cover fire and support.
  3. Finn tries to destroy the Nav tower with his grenades, but it’s not powerful enough, and the Nav tower starts to come back online.
  4. Finn decides to destroy the entire command ship to make sure the nav tower is destroyed.
  5. Poe’s feeling pretty hopeless because so many of them are dying while trying to take out the nav tower.
  6. Reinforcements come, and give the Resistance the additional support they need to hold off the First/Final Order and let Finn complete his mission.
  7. Finn blows up the ship. Poe thinks this went according to the original plan. He doesn’t realize Finn had to improvise to destroy the nav tower, and is still stuck on the ship.
  8. Falcon picks up Finn and Jannah.
  9. Everyone ignores the second, fully operational tower on the ground, because f*ck it. WE WON, BABY!

I think the part I don’t understand in your explanation is, “the plan was always to temporairly disable their navigational systems.” Like…why? Why would you decide to temporarily block them from leaving, then try to destroy every single one of their 10,000+ ships in the “just minutes” before the navigation signal goes back online? The navigation signal that doesn’t even need to be destroyed for them to destroy the ships, because the ships already don’t have shields in atmosphere?

It’s like in ROTJ - Han didn’t just disable the shield generator for 60 seconds and then tell Lando, “You’ve got 60 seconds to destroy the Death Star!!” He just destroyed the shield generator. End of story.

And I don’t blame you for reading it the other way. Chris and J.J. clearly had no clue what was happening in their own finale. It’s mind-bogglingly poor writing, in so many ways that I honestly just scratched the surface here. But all of this confusion on both of our parts sort of gets back to my original point. If we can make this whole thing make a lot more sense by just cutting a few words, why wouldn’t we?

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Damn, having rewatched the Exegol battle, I think Jar Jar is right - we should cut Poe’s “But not for long” down to just “Nice one, Finn! Nav signal’s down!” The way the line is delivered it really feels like Poe thinks this means victory.

Eight words. Fine.

Also, Jar Jar, I kind of like the “Once we complete-” line. Depending on what the full line is, would it be possible to start it even sooner though and cut off after more of it plays?

Hey, does Ben have any usable lines that we could add after he arrives to help Rey? I’d love for him to say more after returning to the Light than just “Ow.”

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sidshady12 said:

Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official?

100% yes. Sorry. Just being honest.

You excluded the second part of my comment where I explained that I only think that one first line works fine “there’s been a lot of that”, and that yes obviously some of the other dialogue tests were too noticable. I still think the one where she gets cut off also has potential.

But still, I’m inclined to disagree with you. You truly believe that if you walked into that theater absolutely clueless of any edits, lets also say Carrie Fisher was alive, and so when you heard the first line I talked about it would instantly take you out of the movie and you’d throw your finger at the screen “that’s been edited!”? Overdubs and vocal performances in movies aren’t always pitch perfect with so many factors that go into making a movie and they slip through into so many scenes that we don’t even usually notice, for example I was watching over the hobbit and there’s an audible dub mistake when Thranduil says “I can see you know nothing of wizards” where it’s clearly been spliced together with ADR, yet, not a single soul on the YouTube comments has ever mentioned it, not a single person walked out of that theater thinking, hmm, the dialogue recording seemed off, and the only way you’ll notice is if you pull it and play it over and over analyzing the audio, basically like what we’re doing right now. This’ll be my last comment on the matter as Hal doesn’t want to include these but I felt like it did deserve some discussion and defense of Jar Jar, instead of just jumping to “it’s terrible.” Just like real editors and filmmakers (who can’t always reshoot and rerecord), sometimes it’s okay to have a trade off of boosting the narrative and characters while subtracting some technical perfection, but a certain bar still has to be met, which I think is possible with one or two of the discussed dialogue additions.

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sherlockpotter said:

Oh god, every time I think about any scene in this movie, it gets more and more confusing lol.

Okay, so, here’s the thing. Yes, they establish that hitting the underbelly canons will destroy the ships. Yes, they say they want to disable the Nav beacon. And yes, I agree that the mission is “about the nav signal itself.”

But, like, they don’t need to “temporarily disable” the Nav signal in order to destroy the underbelly canons. The underbelly canons are a weak spot because “Shields don’t work in atmosphere” or whatever.

Right, they don’t need to disable the signal to shoot the canons, they need to disable it to stop the ships from leaving atmosphere, where they’d become unstoppable as their shields would protect their “weakness”. Only by stopping the ships on the planet they can be destroyed by shooting the cannons.

And if - as we agree - “[the ships] can’t leave without [the nav signal],” why is their plan to disable it temporarily instead of permanently? How does that make any sense? And if they are trying to disable it permanently…why don’t we let Poe’s mission briefing establish that?

Like I said, the whole thing is dumb if you think too hard on it, why can’t they just shoot a torpedo at the tower and blow it up? Because we’re told they need a ground team to disable it, they “can’t take it down from the air”, we’re not shown or explained why, we just have to take their word for it, like wise we have to assume they can’t leave the fleet permanently stuck there because we’re told they can only do it temporarily. Of course from a storytelling perspective, the reason why is temporary is to keep a sense of urgency and tension, as there should still be a chance for the Final Order to escape, and so there should be an urgency to take down the ships while they can. Instead of “we disabled the nav signal, the whole fleet is stuck here for good!”. We don’t get that release of tension until Finn takes the command ship down.

Also, after Poe says “They’re stuck here! They’re toast!” J.J. kindly cuts to a wide shot of the Sith Fleet:

And in the background of that wide shot, we can see roughly 4200 Super-Duper-Death-Star-Star-Destroyers (classic SDDSSDs) still hovering perfectly in formation, completely unopposed, completed un-blown up. Yet Poe isn’t screaming “Hurry! The Nav Signal is destroyed and they can’t leave the planet! We have to blow them all up before they don’t leave the planet!” He’s just like, “Nah man, they’re stuck.” And they get outta there without exploding any more ships.

Poe’s full line is “they’re toast, come on!” implying there’s still work to do, so it’s safe to assume they continue taking down the rest of the SDDSSDs while Lando rescues Finn and Jannah and Rey is busy dying and such. Yes the sheer number of SDDSSDs is ridiculous, but we get an equally ridiculous amount or civilian ships so the implication is supposed to be they take 'em all down. And in case you’re not convinced, that is the plan as discussed in the briefing: “Fighters and freighters can take out their cannons if there are enough of us”, it might seem like there’s just too many of them, but as Lando says “There are more of us!”. There’s still debris falling down as Rey leaves on Luke’s X-wing that implies they kept on blowing them up, and all the enemy ships are gone on those final shots, so it’s all wrapped up in a nice bow. Again, it’s ridiculous by the sheer scope of the fleet, but that’s the way this movie operates.

So, given that they unconcernedly leave a whole bunch of ships behind; and that, if the navigation signal is gone, they won’t be able to navigate off of the planet, my read of the situation is:

  1. They send a sabotage crew in to destroy the navigation tower.
  2. They send an aerial crew for cover fire and support.
  3. Finn tries to destroy the Nav tower with his grenades, but it’s not powerful enough, and the Nav tower starts to come back online.
  4. Finn decides to destroy the entire command ship to make sure the nav tower is destroyed.
  5. Poe’s feeling pretty hopeless because so many of them are dying while trying to take out the nav tower.
  6. Reinforcements come, and give the Resistance the additional support they need to hold off the First/Final Order and let Finn complete his mission.
  7. Finn blows up the ship. Poe thinks this went according to the original plan. He doesn’t realize Finn had to improvise to destroy the nav tower, and is still stuck on the ship.
  8. Falcon picks up Finn and Jannah.
  9. Everyone ignores the second, fully operational tower on the ground, because f*ck it. WE WON, BABY!

[3] Things go according to plan, Poe is fully aware the nav signal won’t be down for long.
[5] Poe is feeling hopeless because they’re counting on backup to take down the fleet, there’s too many ships for the Resistance alone.
[6] The civilian fleet is not there to help Finn, it’s there to take down the Final Order, the whole fleet. Poe doesn’t even know of Finn’s plans.
[7] Poe is surprised that the command ship is destroyed which turns the fleet into sitting ducks. That wasn’t part of the plan, a surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one.
[9] Everyone ignores the second, fully operational tower on the ground, because there’s no ships left for it to guide.

I think the part I don’t understand in your explanation is, “the plan was always to temporairly disable their navigational systems.” Like…why? Why would you decide to temporarily block them from leaving, then try to destroy every single one of their 10,000+ ships in the “just minutes” before the navigation signal goes back online? The navigation signal that doesn’t even need to be destroyed for them to destroy the ships, because the ships already don’t have shields in atmosphere?

Because it’s the only shot they’ve got at defeating the fleet. If they don’t blow them up while they’re on Exegol then they’ll never be able to blow them up. If they don’t block them from leaving the atmosphere it’s over.

It’s like in ROTJ - Han didn’t just disable the shield generator for 60 seconds and then tell Lando, “You’ve got 60 seconds to destroy the Death Star!!” He just destroyed the shield generator. End of story.

It’s more like an inverse of the plan in TLJ to temporarily disable the tracker so the fleet can escape.

And I don’t blame you for reading it the other way. Chris and J.J. clearly had no clue what was happening in their own finale. It’s mind-bogglingly poor writing, in so many ways that I honestly just scratched the surface here. But all of this confusion on both of our parts sort of gets back to my original point. If we can make this whole thing make a lot more sense by just cutting a few words, why wouldn’t we?

I agree it’s bad, specially after a less ridiculous plan fails in the previous movie, and Poe and Finn were supposed to learn from it. But it’s what we’ve got to work with, and we have to work with what we’ve got. I don’t think cutting a few words does anything to make it better, I think it would make it more nonsensical, and remove elements of urgency and tension that at least work on a surface level.

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Sherlock, the original line goes like this: “Once we can compare…” so I tried to cut off the “air” sound so it just had the “comp”. Unfortunately it didn’t sound right so I had to cut much closer. I could try again though. I’ll also check out some Ben Solo stuff.

Thanks again for coming to my defense Sid lol. I think some people are still too hung up on the first few audio tests I did and gave up on me. I feel like that’s a pretty unfair approach, especially in fan editing.

Let me be clear again, I’m only recommending “there’s been a lot of that lately” (fixed by Poppa), some grunts when she is collapsing, and MAYBE the line mentioned above if I can get it right (unlikely). Is that too much to ask for? The only reason I’m continuing this conversation is to make sure Hal’s edit is as good as it can be, but if I’m wrong that these are enhancements I suppose I should just keep it all to myself.

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As for the line topic for Exegol, I’m happy that the 16 hour timer is removed so anything else is fine on my watch. Lol. When you think about it, everything about the Exegol sequence has plenty of logic holes and all. Can you fix it all? Nah, since fundamentally (like this movie) has issues that can’t be fixed … but can at least be patched up as well as possible. So my vote, personally, is whatever Hal wants, since I’m already happy with the timer being removed. (seriously, everything happens in 1 day? That’s realistic when speaking about events spread out through AN ENTIRE GALAXY. Not sure what JJ and Rian’s obsession with timers.)

Now, for the Leia stuff. I hope I wasn’t being harsh, just being honest and I still applaud any effort to help add to the movie. If the audio can be adjusted to fit with the scene, then hey, that’ll be great. However, it sticks out since the line doesn’t fit with Leia’s next line.

It’s like in TV shows where you have some obviously added lines or re-dubbed lines in a scene. Which, in TV shows that happens since it is faster pace and they shoot multiple angles and need to re-dub lines by the actor in a sound booth, which would not match the scene where they shoot in a room, outside, etc. etc. It will sound a bit different and you know it’s a re-dubbed line.

So again, I am not trying to be harsh at all and say “NOT GOING TO WORK, STOP IT!” I am supportive of it IF it can match or it does stick out. The reason it sticks out, again, is you have her natural scene line and the two conflict with one another. So if it can be adjusted thoroughly to help it match with the scene, then that would be fine!

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Burbin, I appreciate the defense, I do; but I still can’t get behind it. Finn was all set to leave after disabling the signal - everyone was leaving - and then he was like “Hold up, they’re resetting their systems. The nav signal is coming back online! I have to stop it!” The way he says it definitely implies that they weren’t expecting the nav signal to come back online.

And look, even if you’re right - that Chris and J.J. wrote the entire thing to temporarily stop them from leaving (which is nonsensical), and then the Rebels managed to defeat an extra 7,000 ships off-screen (which is bad filmmaking) - why do we have to prescribe to that? If it’s possible to tie everything up in a nice little “They can’t get off the planet” bow, and cut through all of the obfuscation, why can’t we do that? Even if it’s not 1:1 with the filmmakers’ original intention. That’s sort of the point of this edit, no?

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Thing is, I felt like it already had been adjusted thoroughly by Poppa. Not the first line, I don’t like that one anymore. What I’m having a hard time understanding is that you seem to think somebody can’t change their tone inbetween sentences. In the first line, Leia makes an observation about Rey. She sounds like she’s being friendly. Makes sense. When Rey expounds a bit on how she is feeling, Leia switches to a more sympathetic and personal tone “don’t tell me what things look like, tell me what they are.” Idk, it just makes a lot of sense to me.

EDIT: Sounds good Hal.
I also think its important to note that Carrie is dead, so obviously ADR was NEVER going to be flawless. If you can make an excuse for TV shows, I think you can make an excuse for a movie trying to bring a deceased actor back to life (within reason, of course).

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sidshady12 said:

DominicCobb said:

sidshady12 said:

Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official?

100% yes. Sorry. Just being honest.

You excluded the second part of my comment where I explained that I only think that one first line works fine “there’s been a lot of that”, and that yes obviously some of the other dialogue tests were too noticable. I still think the one where she gets cut off also has potential.

It doesn’t matter. The others are worse but that one still sticks out.

But still, I’m inclined to disagree with you.

Buddy, no. That’s not how disagreeing works. You can’t just say “I know for sure you wouldn’t have noticed it.” You don’t know me. In fact I do often notice bad ADR in movies. But this is far worse than anything I’ve seen in any professional film (off the top of my head). And I know it sounds harsh, and trust me that’s no diss to Jar Jar for putting it together. It’s not his fault. The tone just isn’t right, the scene just clearly wasn’t shot for those lines. It feels very obviously like a fan edit. Good for you if it doesn’t bother you.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I also think its important to note that Carrie is dead, so obviously ADR was NEVER going to be flawless. If you can make an excuse for TV shows, I think you can make an excuse for a movie trying to bring a deceased actor back to life (within reason, of course).

We’re walking egg shells though. Leia in the film already feels flimsy and kinda fan edit-y, the goal here is to make her seem less like that, that’s why I suggested we should add Leia lines in the first place. If the lines are only serving to do the opposite, then we’ve lost track of the point.

Seriously I have nothing against other people not being bothered by it. But jesus christ we’re just giving our honest feedback. It’s weird that people are pushing back against that and trying to make it out like we’re not telling the truth?

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I would argue that it’s impossible to remove the “fan edit-y” feeling of Leia, so I’m not sure why you brought up adding lines to begin with. I always thought the intention was to make her seem like an actual human being that doesn’t say a catchphrase every so often like a doll with a voice box. If in the end of undoing that the new lines only sound, say, 50/50 for some people, then so be it I say.

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@Sherlock I figured out a way for Ben’s last line to not be “Ow”. I simply added in an enthusiastic “Yes!” as in “This is awesome!” while he’s destroying the Knights of Ren:

https://youtu.be/MmXg5G-QdMs

Getting myself prepared over here to get roasted once again (I’m joking, okay?).