Fair enough, Brewzter. I just don’t like it when these kind of crucial details rely on the audience knowing what the character said was a lie, especially when it is never explicitly proven to be one. This is why I remove it from TLJ, but apparently that removes one of the greatest film twists of all time (sarcasm). Personally, I feel that Snoke taking advantage of their mind link instead of creating it is still a good twist, but whatever.
I agree … I don’t like it when “they” make the audience “assume” or “figure out” that a character lied because “X, Y, or Z” reasons … especially when a plot hole/creative change appears.
Shakes head