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Post #1410240

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Burbin
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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14-Feb-2021, 12:00 AM

I’m sure this point has probably been discussed before, but what do you guys think of this edit?

https://vimeo.com/512114042
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I delayed the “my boy” line to slow the pace of Palpatine’s revelation, and give it more weight. Having the line “I made Snoke” during the reveal of the twisted technology of the Sith Cultists gives a more subtle context to Snoke’s origin. It takes on the subtle connection that maybe Snoke was created using similar devices (without showing a jar full of Snokes).

Personally I hate the line “I have been every voice…” because it’s not only a dumb excuse to hear Vader’s voice for nostalgia/fanservice, but it also takes away all agency from Snoke, and thus completely undermines the struggles of the previous two movies, where Snoke stood as the big evil. I think it’s fine to imply Snoke was a manufactured being, just for the sake of closure to Snoke’s mysterious ‘origins’ that were never dealt with in the previous movies (and that’s also something The Mandalorian seems to be expanding), but he should be kept as his own character.

If Palpatine only says “I made Snoke… the First Order was just the beggining” we get enough to connect things without raising even more questions, such as whether Snoke was even a real character or just a puppet. Now it could even be seen as Palpatine taking too much credit, where he might have had something to do with Snoke’s origins, but Snoke built his own Empire on his own, and found and turned Ben Solo on his own, and the events in TFA and TLJ are not painted in a lesser context. Unless you read expanded material which this change wouldn’t contradict.

Furthermore the idea of Palpatine “altering” his voice is really odd and it’s not something we ever see again, and the implication that he talked to Kylo using Vader’s voice all this time is a pretty dumb and unnecessary “explanation” for Kylo’s obsession with Vader in TFA, it takes away from Kylo’s character and it further takes away from Snoke being the one who turned him to the dark.