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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I want him in empire and jedi!!!




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I have to agree with Sess. Leave the puppet alone! Ugh. Even Lucas realizes that permitting that change would be like signing his own death warrant. The puppet is fine, and is the basis for the Clones/Revenge model in the first place (with some features taken from the TMP puppet for "consistencey"... ...WHich makes no sense)

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I can't believe all this! I've noticed that most people who are in favor of this change defend it by saying that it's okay for this but not the original trilogy because the prequel trilogy sucks, and the original trilogy doesn't. Therefore, any change to the prequels are good. I thought this was partly out of film preservation. I think the prequels suck too, but I still think they should be preserved exactly the way they were in theatres, something that George has already seen to keep from happening. But the future of a film's survival shouldn't be dependent on such arbitrary reasons of whether or not it "sucks." I think it gives us less credibility than we already have to be whining to George, "Don't change the Star Wars trilogy! Give us back the originals!" only to turn around and say, "Yes! Thanks for changing Yoda in Episode I! Good job!" It just doesn't make any sense.



I can see where you're coming from, but on the other hand, I think you're wrong.

1) Why would anyone want to preserve a film that sucks? I wish Episode I was never created, and so from that standpoint, I don't believe that it needs to be preserved.
2) The main reason I (and probably a fair few other people on here) want to see the Original-Original Trilogy preserved on DVD is because it doesn't contain changes that ruin the storyline or change the meaning of some scenes. Other changes are ridiculous and out-of-place, while others have been made to make it more consistent with the PT, when it clearly should have been the other way around.
3) In this instance, a CG Yoda has been implemented instead of the puppet Yoda, to make it look more like the Yoda seen in ESB and ROTJ. To my mind, the more consistent the Prequel Trilogy is with the Original Trilogy, the better. It is from this standpoint that I support the change.
4) As far as I'm concerned, it is the same mind that made ridiculous and horrendous changes to the Original Trilogy that conceived the Prequel Trilogy. I recall an appropriation of Obi-wan: "A storyteller by the name of George Lucas, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped ILM hunt down and destroy the Star Wars Saga."

You will probably disagree with me, if you're coming at it from the angle of historeography, but the fact remains, it *SHOULD* be possible for us to have our cake and eat it too. There are so many Star Wars fans with so many different opinions on the two trilogies, that it would be financially viable to release every version of Star Wars on DVD since its theatrical release. That, is something that I think we can all agree on.


Well, a lot of people actually like The Phantom Menace (most of them aren't here), yet I bet they'd still want a new version too. So, like I said, it's all arbitrary. Life was so much easier when a movie just existed. That was it. It stood alone. I want to live in a world where directors won't go back and screw up their own films! I have a dream that we can live in harmony where "Super Special Editions" and "Extreme Uncut Editions" made to milk us of our cash won't have to exist. Until then, I'll just sit in a corner with my Back to the Future DVDs (the best example of a classic movie trilogy DVD release EVER) and weep and gnash my teeth until that day comes.

Oh, wait. It has. George, in his infinite wisdom, has kept us from having multiple versions by brainwashing us into believing that his new deluxe versions are the ONLY versions of the films... until next time.

Not exactly the world I was hoping for... T_T

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi

I want him in empire and jedi!!!


what a fucking moron



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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I want him in empire and jedi!!!


Sorry to gang up on you Adam, I do not think Lucas will change it, wasnt he so impressed with Frank Oz's work that he tried to get him nominated for an Oscar for the Empire performance of Yoda.
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Sorry to gang up on you Adam, I do not think Lucas will change it, wasnt he so impressed with Frank Oz's work that he tried to get him nominated for an Oscar for the Empire performance of Yoda.

Good, constructive reply to heretic statement.

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what a fucking moron

Bad reply to heretic statement.

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This Yoda work is old news. The puppet was entirely removed from TPM before they even began work on Yoda for ROTS. Lucas, with new workers doing the CGI coding this time around (some never had done anything outside of a video game), wanted them practiced and ready so that when they recieved the rushes of all the prefilmed Yoda sequences..they wouldn't just be learning on the fly.

Thus, he and the head of this department had them remove the puppet from TPM, much like the work they did on a short clip from ESB to showcase the process to George.

But it is certainly good to see photos of this.

The only way I would EVER support a CGI Yoda in ESB or ROTJ is if painstaking detail was paid to capture every movement and characterstic Oz put into the puppet.
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That seems like the next logical step, doesn't it? Don't forget the digital Ewoks, though. I think I remember him complaining once that the Ewok suits didn't allow the Ewoks to be able to blink their eyes, so I wouldn't be surprised if that would be something he "fixed."

By the way, when did you become a moderator, zion? And what caused Jay to be convinced that we need one?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: zion
I don't think I could ever enjoy the films again if digital Yoda found his way into the OT. Not to say that they couldn't make it work (though I doubt it), but it would take too much away from the films in my opinion. If they did that, they might as well digitize Chewie or every storm trooper. There really is no reason to do it.

Exactly. I'm sure a CGI Artoo would fix the problem of him going down stairs, and hey, then they could show his rocket boosters in the OT! And George wasn't too happy with the look of the cantina; why not just replace all the creatures with CG aliens?

This can get out of hand very quickly.

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Originally posted by: zion
I moderate the Preservation board only. Jay felt the need about 6 months ago due to increased traffic and problem users, I assume. I have little real power elsewhere.


Ah, okay, thanks. I don't frequent the Preservation section very much anymore, I'm sad to admit.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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If Lucas were to put a CGI Yoda in Phantom, I for one wouldn't mind, and in fact I have thought how nice it would be if he did. It would just make to PT match better. I don't see it as such a big deal if he changes it. I didn't care for Episode I very much, and one reason for it was how bad Yoda looked. At any rate the old version (which still isn't even the theatrical version) has already been put on DVD, that is more than we can say for the original trilogy. If I had those on DVD, I could care less what "director's cuts" or "Special Editions" Lucas shoves out. He has always been into over releasing the SW films, I don't expect him to stop now. But who care, the current DVD version of Ep.1 will still be floating around out there. I myself have gotten to the point where I nearly feel like counting the original ones as a seperate movies all together. To me there is this great trilogy of classic sci-fi movies, then there is this other set of six silly-not-so-greatly-written-poorly-acted sci-fi films that for some reason I kind of like because they resemble a bit those great old sci-fi classics I used to love when I was a kid. This might sound kind of silly, but it is my way of letting my self still enjoy the PT to a small extent (Well, my edited PT anyway, I still had a make a few modifications before I could actualy start to appreciate them a bit.

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I want the CG Yoda, but also want the OOT, does that strike you as strange, maybe %50 heretical? And Kev, I'm the one who found those pics and brought them here.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I want the CG Yoda, but also want the OOT, does that strike you as strange, maybe %50 heretical? And Kev, I'm the one who found those pics and brought them here.


It does not, I bet there loads of people of todays generation and big prequel fans that want a CGI Yoda in the classic trilogy (and not aimed Adam) and they would be more than happy if the whole classic trilogy went CGI, but the problem is some CGI does not blend well with 70s and 80s filmaking, and sticks out
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Now, if only he would do the same for the ESB and ROTJ Yoda!


Please tell me that was sarcasm.

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huh? at least he actually said something light like that. them ass kissers at theforce.net say things like "Hayden should be in the unmasking scene"

it's really sad
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Now, if only he would do the same for the ESB and ROTJ Yoda!


Please tell me that was sarcasm.


No, that was not sarcasm. Is it a crime on these boards to feel that way? It seems in every major board on the net, you have to meet certain conditions to be considered a star wars fan:

1. You have to constantly bash the prequels.
2. You have to constantly bash Lucas, not to mention put an $ at the end of his name.
3. You can only give good remarks to the OT.
4. You must hate CG
5. You must think only episodes 4 and 5 are the two only good movies, you must call them "Star Wars" and "The Empire Strikes Back." You can't say "A New Hope" or "episode 4 or 5."
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then I think you should leave this site and join some of the other so called "fans" at theforce.net and discuss your sweet sad ideas about raping the OT some more
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Well, see, I can't do that. I do meet one criteria of this site: I want the OOT on DVD. Why? For preservation purposes of the original. Unlike most of the big posters here, I don't have that kind of nastalgia towards the OT. I (gasp) see the PT and OT as equal. I saw TPM first, instead of the SE's, so I have absolutely no nastalgia, even SE nastalgia towards them. The prequel trilogy, however, I do have a little nastalgia towards.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Now, if only he would do the same for the ESB and ROTJ Yoda!


Please tell me that was sarcasm.


No, that was not sarcasm. Is it a crime on these boards to feel that way? It seems in every major board on the net, you have to meet certain conditions to be considered a star wars fan:

1. You have to constantly bash the prequels.
2. You have to constantly bash Lucas, not to mention put an $ at the end of his name.
3. You can only give good remarks to the OT.
4. You must hate CG
5. You must think only episodes 4 and 5 are the two only good movies, you must call them "Star Wars" and "The Empire Strikes Back." You can't say "A New Hope" or "episode 4 or 5."



1. I like Sith and praised didnt mind Clones, think Menace is trash
2. praised Lucas filmaking skills. and his business sense, never ever used the $ dont hate the man(makes questionable decsions about the franchise, which the fans have a right to critise and have an opinion)
3. Ewoks are crap
4. like Sith CGI some of SE CGI when it is not a cut and paste job and blends
5. Doesnt matter use both ROTJ is a good movie as is Sith.


Do I fit the criteria to be a STAR WARS fan



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sorry... couldn't help myself... all better now...

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Considering that George tried to get Frank Oz an Oscar nod for Empire, I don't think there is ANY chance he would replace the original puppet with CGI. Frank Oz's work on Empire was phenomenal and I think Frank Oz would be on ANGRY dude if that ever happened. I'm sure Kershner would be pissed too.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Now, if only he would do the same for the ESB and ROTJ Yoda!


Please tell me that was sarcasm.


No, that was not sarcasm. Is it a crime on these boards to feel that way? It seems in every major board on the net, you have to meet certain conditions to be considered a star wars fan:

1. You have to constantly bash the prequels.
2. You have to constantly bash Lucas, not to mention put an $ at the end of his name.
3. You can only give good remarks to the OT.
4. You must hate CG
5. You must think only episodes 4 and 5 are the two only good movies, you must call them "Star Wars" and "The Empire Strikes Back." You can't say "A New Hope" or "episode 4 or 5."



1. I like Sith and praised didnt mind Clones, think Menace is trash
2. praised Lucas filmaking skills. and his business sense, never ever used the $ dont hate the man(makes questionable decsions about the franchise, which the fans have a right to critise and have an opinion)
3. Ewoks are crap
4. like Sith CGI some of SE CGI when it is not a cut and paste job and blends
5. Doesnt matter use both ROTJ is a good movie as is Sith.


Do I fit the criteria to be a STAR WARS fan


Generally, though, you are looked down on for not following what I listed. I FEEL PERSECUTED!!!


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SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry... couldn't help myself... all better now...


I am sorry for speaking the blatant truth. The truth hurts doesn't it? I will shut up now.

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Actually, generally on this site, i dont really see people looking down on their views. they may dissagree with them, and question them, but they never (minus a few exceptions) are actually negative about opposing views.

also, i think what your missing is the whole concept of change for advancement or to move forward vs change for the sake of change.

was/is there anything wrong with the Yoda in ESB and Jedi? If you answer that truthfully its no, he was pretty darn realistic. Sure you can do things with a cgi version that you cant with a puppet, but they both have their pro's and con's. Cgi stands out especially when inserted into an 25+ year old movie. so would it look more life like? nope, probably not. even if it does, would the amount of work and time that has to go into the change be worth it. No, why not spend that time/money/resources removing matte lines, or getting the color level set properly instead of making changes that has nothing wrong with it.

in my opinion the worse possible justification for any change to the OT is so that it fits better with the PT. Its just backwards. The OT while chronologically takes place after the PT still came out first, so there is no reason that the 'facts' that it set up werent able to be followed. I would take the same thing if the PT came out before the OT then he went back to change the PT to fit the OT. How hard is it to make a story you wrote fit in with another story you wrote.

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