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Originally posted by: Switch Radic
hey bossk, thanks for the tip. BTW.. have you tried the firefox browser?


Sorry Switch. Missed your post. Nope, haven't tried Firefox yet but I've heard good things about it. Only problem with Mozilla products right now is the lack of a rich text editor in it. It has some problems with some of the functionality in several forums. No problems here, thankfully. But in another forum I belong to, I can't get any of the toolbars and emoticon options. Weird how that works.

I had forgotten that Bishop was even in Alien3. Guess when you want to supress bad memories, it really is possible to do so.
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Great news. In an interview Paul Anderson confermed that we will get an R rated cut for the movie on DVD. He says he filmed an R rated movie and is angry with the studio for cutting it to PG-13. As R rating won't make this movie great but it will definutly raise my opinion.
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That is a true "director's cut". How could the studios cut this movie? It's two horror franchises, for chrissake! They are meant to be rated "r".
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Originally posted by: Bossk
That is a true "director's cut". How could the studios cut this movie? It's two horror franchises, for chrissake! They are meant to be rated "r".


Whats worse is that since Alien versus Predator made alot of money the studios might try this again. I hope to God we don't get a PG-13 Terminator flick. Whats worse is in the movie you can easily tell that the movie was meant to be R. Seeing this movie in the theater reminds me of seeing the Predator on FX broadcasts. You can always tell that censorship was practiced. Many deaths that were offscreen in the theater will be shown onscreen on the DVD. Also aside from more blood, gore, and profanity the directers cut will also include an added subplot.
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Wait and see how the box office drops for weekend #2; if it's bad enough, they may learn their lesson the same way they did with Spawn.

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movies don't have to be good to mmake money remember pokemon
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What are the movie houses contractually obligated to show an average film for?
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Heres an exact transcript of the article

Judging by it he seems to be very unsatisfied with the theatrical cut of the movie and blames the studio for its poor reseption. He blames both its release date and the studios PG-13 madness that will not end. He says that many shots he liked had to be cut because they did not have time to finish them. He also said that the studios blatent censorship of the movie also lowered it. In the interview he also answers an important plot hole that would have been explained in the "Real movie". The fact that he referes to his future cut as the real movie shows how unsatisfied he is with the theatrical cut.
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i'm guessing the movie will be out by cristmas time
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i'm guessing the movie will be out by cristmas time


I doubt it. Aparently he is still tweaking the effects of his directers cut. Even the theatrical cut was tweaked until the very last minute. My guess is Alien versus Predator will not his DVD until early 2005.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
He is right. The Bishop in Alien3 bleeds white after being hit by the pipe.


I'm going to have to correct that one.



He actually bleeds red blood in the final scenes of Alien3. Which was always pretty cool as he's far more interested in securing the specimen than he is in his own personal well being. Yes, his ear is hanging off, but if you've seen what I've seen you'll know that the human body can sustain an awful lot of trauma and still function as the mind slips the various systems (respiratory, circulatory, etc) into shock and shuts them down.

This is more apparent on the recent DVD release, which is one reason that I'd hoped they'd use his character from this film and set AVP after the events of Alien3. That way AVP would sit between A3 and AR as an Interquel and Michael Bishop would end his days in his Ahab-esque quest for the Alien.

In various places the character is credited as Michael Bishop, and employee of Hyperdyne Systems, cybernetics and bioweapons, itself a subsidiary of Weyland-Yutani aka "The Company".

I don't really mind so much though as I have ancestors who look a lot like me so I guess it's feasible, I mean the movie is about fantasy science fiction creatures as it is so it's not so big a stretch.

Still it does bug me a little.
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I new it. I was right. Horray for me.
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Interesting. I always assumed that he was a synthetic because a third of his skull was bashed in, yet he was still able to funtion regularly (much like Ian Holm's character in Alien). But, Jimbo was right, and this is just another plot hole. Damn you AvP, damn you to hell...
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While I'm not the world's biggest fan of Paul WS Anderson, I am quite sure that the DVD version of AVP will be an entirely different animal than the film that was recently slopped onto the cinemascreens. I believe that the film is still being worked on in adverse conditions and I can sympathise with his plight.

It still won't be Andseron's 'director's cut'. Such a thing is not possible as a director as low down on the totem as he is would not be allowed final cut by most major studios let alone the grubby-handed execs at TwenCenFox.

I can understand why targeted release dates are immovable objects for marketing campaign purposes but I fail to see why Fox went out of their way at every step of the process to see this thing fail. That includes the hiring of the chosen 'talent' and approval of the final script to lowered budget and very tight shooting schedule right up to the hacking in the editing bay.

It's like they had a point they wanted to prove or something.

I think they proved it, the point was that they're hamfisted arseholes.
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Im soooo happy about that article

"About the studio's cutting of the film, which he had no control over, he said, and I quote, "All of the best scenes were cut." "
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I myself am not a big Paul Anderson fan either. But no directer not even him should be censored so moliciously. Apparently the new cut will be 30 minutes longer then in the theater. I doubt it will be just just 30 minutes of gore so there will be more story. It could possibly fill in many plot holes, or help characters become more likable. I suspect this to be a more complete and likeable movie. Still I don't think they can make it as good as Aliens unless they completely redid it.
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I stand corrected; however, it is possible that the Bishop in Alien3 is a descendant, or even a clone of Bishop Weyland in AVP.

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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
I stand corrected; however, it is possible that the Bishop in Alien3 is a descendant, or even a clone of Bishop Weyland in AVP.


Thats possible
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I stand corrected; however, it is possible that the Bishop in Alien3 is a descendant, or even a clone of Bishop Weyland in AVP.


Thats possible


Hmm... That doesnt seem to make sense, given that in alien resurrection, which takes place 200 years AFTER Alien 3, they had to clone Ripley 7 times before they even got it right. As for him being a descendant, he looks too much like the character in AVP to be one. All that aside, I think it's fair to say that AVP completely fucked up the continuity of the Alien series.

As for my thoughts on Alien Versus Predator, it is a OK sequel to the Predator films, a horrible prequel to the Alien movies, and as a stand-alone film, it's a stricly passable action flick.
OK, here's my list of alien & predator movies (not including predator 2), best to worst:

1. Alien 3
2. Alien
3. Aliens
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Originally posted by: Switch Radic
What are the movie houses contractually obligated to show an average film for?

2 weeks, for a minimum of 2 shows per day. This can be varied depending on what the opening weekend grosses are like e.g. Gigli went down to 1 show per night after its opening weekend because it tanked so badly.

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I stand corrected; however, it is possible that the Bishop in Alien3 is a descendant, or even a clone of Bishop Weyland in AVP.


Thats possible


Hmm... That doesnt seem to make sense, given that in alien resurrection, which takes place 200 years AFTER Alien 3, they had to clone Ripley 7 times before they even got it right. As for him being a descendant, he looks too much like the character in AVP to be one. All that aside, I think it's fair to say that AVP completely fucked up the continuity of the Alien series.


The reason why they had to clone Ripley 7 times in order to get it right (and I believe this is explained in the film) was the combination of alien and human DNA involved. As for descendants not being the spitting image of their forefathers, I've seen several examples of children and grandchildren who look just like their parents or grandparents.


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so, anyone who has seen AvP, care to tell me if its any good? without the spoilers, thank you.
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It's cheesy fun, motti. Go in with lowered expectations and you'll have fun, just like Anacondas: The Hunt for the Blood Orchid.

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