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Hum.... they would have pulled the plug on the story without even telling you? Or are they going to release it at a later time? I'll have to look into it as well. I'm in Canada, so I guess we have the same edition right?
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Yep, some magazines can pull 'em without notice. It's the editor's prerogative. And I doubt that any writer, after finding that their story has been pulled, is really all that concerned with contacting the subject to let them know. If anything, they're going out and getting liquored up or pissing and moaning to their editor or to a significant other.

In other news, my local B&N did not yet have the November issue. I checked the October issue's table of contents pretty thoroughly (once I sifted through the 30+ pages of ads before it and in-between the multiple table pf content pages) and it wasn't in there. Unless it's really tiny and unlisted, which wouldn't surprise me. Maybe I'll go back and check again.

I'm having trouble remembering and am too lazy to look back. Is it supposed to be the October or November issue? Now I'm wondering if it is supposed to be the Lindsay Lohan cover.
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I just checked back through the posts. It IS the Lohan issue. Damn. I'll have to check again.
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Don't bother. The editor confirmed that it was pulled in favor of some Bush/Kerry bullshit.
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Actually, that's not entirely true. I went through the latest issue with a fine toothed comb and found a snippet article about the trilogy. Something like page 185 in the far left column. It was entitled "Film Controversy of the Month" or somesuch. It just had blurbs about the trilogy being released and the controversy surrounding. There were two outside quotes in it. One from some guy on TF.N about how he's disappointed that the O-OT is not being released. And one from Kevin Smith saying that the extremist stance some are taking is a bit ridiculous and saying that it's not as though Humphrey Bogart was replaced in Casablanca with Steve Guttenberg.

Load of crap.
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Kevin Smith is a hack who hasn't made a really good movie since Chasing Amy.

And Clerks is way overrated.
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I think KS may be hedging his bets that he's gonna get an assignment on the proposed Star Wars TV series. BTW, read the blurb in GQ and was extremely disappointed. I'm pretty sure that whatever Jay said would've been more interesting than some Tf.netter.

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Kevin Smith is a hack who hasn't made a really good movie since Chasing Amy.

And Clerks is way overrated.


Well, I did... kinda... dig on Dogma. Not the best. But he brings up some good points regarding religion. But, if you are arguing that Chasing Amy is his best, I won't be one to argue as I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Chasing Amy sucked. Smith forgot he was making a comedy and made it all preachy about accepting gay people. Clerks and Mallrats are both infinitely funnier and more entertaining than Chasing Amy.
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See, I don't think Chasing Amy was meant to be an all-out comedy. It's meant to show how KS learned from a relationship in which he acted like Ben Affleck does. Amy is more about the story than the comedy. KS didn't "forget" anything. He was trying to make a minor departure from what he had done before.

And it is a funny movie as well. I don't personally think that anything in Mallrats compares to the Comiccon nubian fight between Banky and Hooper. That is just classic Kevin Smith.

Clerks is a damn good movie, but Mallrats was piss poor by the standards established by Clerks and then followed by Chasing Amy and, even, Dogma. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Mallrats every once in a while, but it is the worst of the Jersey Quintilogy (is that a word?).
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Actually, that's not entirely true. I went through the latest issue with a fine toothed comb and found a snippet article about the trilogy. Something like page 185 in the far left column. It was entitled "Film Controversy of the Month" or somesuch. It just had blurbs about the trilogy being released and the controversy surrounding. There were two outside quotes in it. One from some guy on TF.N about how he's disappointed that the O-OT is not being released. And one from Kevin Smith saying that the extremist stance some are taking is a bit ridiculous and saying that it's not as though Humphrey Bogart was replaced in Casablanca with Steve Guttenberg.

Load of crap.


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I know this isn't GQ, but if anyone read the most recent Entertainment Weekly (Desperate Housewives on the cover; Motti, get your mind out of the gutter, it's a TV show), the letters section has two people writing in saying they prefer the original versions of the movies and the third letter says the guy is on the fence about which version he prefers but is just happy to have them on DVD. All in all, I'd consider it three victories (okay, maybe two and a half) for our cause in a large-circulation magazine. I want to shake these peoples' hands. No mention of our site, though. That would have been very cool.
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my mind invented the gutter
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See, I don't think Chasing Amy was meant to be an all-out comedy. It's meant to show how KS learned from a relationship in which he acted like Ben Affleck does. Amy is more about the story than the comedy. KS didn't "forget" anything. He was trying to make a minor departure from what he had done before.

And it is a funny movie as well. I don't personally think that anything in Mallrats compares to the Comiccon nubian fight between Banky and Hooper. That is just classic Kevin Smith.

Clerks is a damn good movie, but Mallrats was piss poor by the standards established by Clerks and then followed by Chasing Amy and, even, Dogma. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Mallrats every once in a while, but it is the worst of the Jersey Quintilogy (is that a word?).


Sorry to come back to this topic which is really off-topic, but I haven't checked this thread in a while and just wanted to respond to Bossk here:

Bossk, I see your point, but if that is the case then the movie was mismarketed. It was sold to us as a comedy. And while he has the right to make a departure in style from his previous films, and has a right to say whatever he wants in his films, I found the film preachy, condescending, and pompous. I went to be entertained not to have politically correct homosexual propaganda shoved down my throat. I don't go to the movies to be preached to. I don't care about KS's little pet social engineering projects, I didn't go to watch propaganda, I went to be entertained. If I had known that the movie was going to be so preachy and would focus more on gays and lesbians than comedy I wouldn't have paid my hard-earned cash to see it. So I feel the advertising was a little deceptive as it depicted this mis-matched relationship as the backdrop for comedy where, really the comedy was the backdrop for the relationship story, which took on a socio-political tone that I found condescending. Hey, I don't care about gays and lesbians, they can do as they please, but it's really annoying to go to a movie to be entertained and wind up watching a 2 hour infomercial about them, which I had to pay to see.

And, where Clerks was clearly superior to Mallrats, I disagree that Chasing Amy or even Dogma was even in the same league (comedy wise) as Mallrats. I feel Mallrats was truer to the style and spirit of Clerks, which was a light-hearted albeit raunchy comedy about everyday minutae. Mallrats may not have had production values as high as Chasing Amy and Dogma, but I feel it was a purer comedy and truer to the Clerks style.

I incidently found Dogma kind of preachy as well. Keven Smith is waaaay too obvious and clumsy about putting dialog supporting his personal politics into his comedies. Perfect example in Dogma: the part where the main character thought that Jay and Silent Bob were "some kind of pro-life nutjobs" or however she said it, and Jay responds, "Hell no! We support a woman's right to choose!" WTF?!?! This is coming from this character who is a juvenile delinquent fuck-up drug dealing drunken idiot and is played that way for laughs. But then we have him standing up for some political cause?! KS just did that because people see Jay and Silent Bob as "cool" so if they express this opinion that that opinion will be "cool." That was the most ham-handed, clumsy and blatantly obvious attempt to inject ideology into a movie ever. I can't believe that more people didn't pick up on it. I find that kind of thing offensive because it is patronizing and uncalled for. Just stick to comedy, and if you're going to be political make it funny. That line wasn't funny it was stilted and was shoehorned in there. KS insults our intelligence when he tries shit like that. There were plenty of other things like that in Dogma (and Chasing Amy) but none of the other stuff came close to that instance in it's brazenness and clumsyness.

Don't get me wrong, Chasing Amy and Dogma had funny parts but they were the worst and second worst films in that series respectively. Clerks and Mallrats are the best of the series, because Mallrats stayed true to the spirit and style of Clerks. The Clerks animated series was good too, and I'd reccommend that to any fan of KS's films over CA and Dogma.
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Wouldn't be the first time the idiots in marketing screwed up; The Powerpuff Girls Movie and The Village are just two more examples of how NOT to market a movie.

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I agree with you on many of your points there, Rattlehead. I agree that many of Smith's movies are mismarketed. Chasing Amy wasn't meant to be blatant comedy. I've spoken with Kevin and he said so (he came to my University some years ago for a Q&A soon after CA came out). Mallrats is truer in spirit to Clerks, but to expect Chasing Amy to be that way, too, is to deny a filmmaker the right to evolve. And that's what CA is, KS's coming to terms with his life and mistakes he has made in his past. It was an apology of sorts that was completely mishandled by Miramax brass in terms of marketing. If they had given it a chance and tried to market it as a bit more of a dramedy, then the pubklic would have been a bit more well prepared when Jersey Girl came along and was completely disparate from all of his previous works.

Yes, Dogma was a bit preachy. But it was a voice that hadn't really been heard before. How many times in the past have you heard a filmmaker say that denominations and belief systems have ruined religion? Never. And it needed to be said. Unfortunately, it was heard in the form of a comedy, but it still got word out albeit to a much smaller audience than a Ben Hur or a Passion of the Christ.

All filmmakers have an agenda. It's something we've just gotta live with. Even Clerks and Mallrats had agendas (to expose the hell of working in retail hell and shopping in retail hell, respectively). I've learned to deal with it. That's all you can do. Either take it with a grain of salt (my preferred method of attack especially with documentarians) or avoid the film altogether.
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