Fahrenheit 9/11 — Page 8

Author: Warbler
Time: 14-Jul-2004 1:40 PM
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
people will do anything for money

this is true, but that don't make it right. lying is still lying.

Author: sean wookie
Time: 14-Jul-2004 1:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
jimbo prove that Moore made lies about Bush...

and lets not forget that Bush lies to all of the American people...
so lets not play the lying game here... cuz we all know that guy has more skeletons in his closet than Michael Jackson does boyscouts!

lol

Author: Luke Skywalker
Time: 14-Jul-2004 1:42 PM
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"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."

Author: Warbler
Time: 14-Jul-2004 1:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
jimbo prove that Moore made lies about Bush...

and lets not forget that Bush lies to all of the American people...
so lets not play the lying game here... cuz we all know that guy has more skeletons in his closet than Michael Jackson does boyscouts!

I agree that Bush lied, but two wrong don't make a right. And are you honestly telling me that everything in the movie was absolutely true? no lies? no stretches, no exaggerations? Nothing but the exact non biased truth? come on now.

Author: Luke Skywalker
Time: 14-Jul-2004 2:03 PM
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i didnt say that at all...
if you read the entire thread you would have noticed that i have already agreed that Moore does do all of the following to get his point across in his movies...
but if your telling me that everything Moore brings up in that movie is a complete fabrication than theres something wrong there...

all im saying is jimbo is a big boy... big enough to call people names like "fat ass" behind their back and behind his monitor...
if he cant take a little joke from me then tell him to go join www.sesamestreet.com

"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."

Author: Warbler
Time: 14-Jul-2004 2:47 PM
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oh I never said that the movie was a complete fabrication, and I dont believe it is, just some parts. I just think if somone wants to make an argument for or against somthing, they should base it on the facts and not on the aforementioned.

Author: Luke Skywalker
Time: 14-Jul-2004 4:18 PM
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i totally agree..

"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 14-Jul-2004 7:08 PM
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Is it fabrication, or just bad evidence? I've read numerous cases that were decided wrongly on the basis of bad or insufficient evidence. I think both sides make valid points, but to say that one is either right or wrong based on the evidence presented would be foolhardy.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

Author: Hal 9000
Time: 15-Jul-2004 8:33 AM
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Why all the hatred towards Bush?

If I could vote, I'd be voting for him without hesitation.

Maybe because I'm a Republican. All. The. Way.

My stance on revising fan edits.

Author: Luke Skywalker
Time: 15-Jul-2004 8:39 AM
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its not so much that i have hatred towards Bush...
to be honest i find politics to be a bunch of bullshit as it is...

everyone running just wants their piece of the pie now-a-days....
theres no such thing as being an honest politician...
thats like saying your virgin prostitue...

"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."

Author: jimbo
Time: 15-Jul-2004 8:45 AM
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Joke from Futurama

Leela: The first robot president won by exactly one vote
Bender: John Quenciatty machine. He won it over with voters when he promised not to go on a killing spree
Hubert: But like most politicians he promissed more then he could deliver

Author: Warbler
Time: 15-Jul-2004 1:39 PM
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Is it fabrication, or just bad evidence? I've read numerous cases that were decided wrongly on the basis of bad or insufficient evidence. I think both sides make valid points, but to say that one is either right or wrong based on the evidence presented would be foolhardy.

huh? how else would you decide somthing other than on the facts? Obviously, it is wrong to conclude somthing without enough evidence or on false facts. But if you have enough evidence and you know the evidence to be true, then it is not foolhardy to make a conclusion, it is logical.

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 15-Jul-2004 3:02 PM
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Lemme give you an example. The most recent cases in Canada on the issue of same-sex marriage were decided on what I would term faulty evidence; that is, the evidence that decided the case was largely anthropological and cited examples of same-sex marriage type relationships in various cultures in the world. The vast majority of the evidence submitted on these groups was incredibly one-sided. How do I know? I researched one of these groups extensively, and the same-sex marriage situation in this scenario arose out of necessity i.e. no male descendants in the family to pass property on to. In this particular case, the eldest daughter would marry a woman of the tribe, and her kinsmen would copulate with her "wife" to raise offspring in the father's name. This was just one example, but the vast majority of these types of relationships amounted to nothing more than legalised prostitution. Nevertheless, the flawed research cited by the pro- same-sex marriage groups was the only evidence presented, and played a substantial role in the striking down of the common law definition of marriage in British Columbia and Ontario.

See my point?

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

Author: Warbler
Time: 15-Jul-2004 3:36 PM
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Sorry I don't. They came to a conclusion based on insuffient evidece. I only talking about coming to a conclusion on non biased, complete, and true evidence. And you aren't going to tell me that the evidence in the movie was non biased,complete, and true evidence are you?

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 15-Jul-2004 6:30 PM
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No, I'm going to tell you that unbiased, complete, and absolutely true evidence is a rare occurrence in any scenario. Kind of grim, isn't it?

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

Author: Warbler
Time: 16-Jul-2004 5:15 PM
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yeah, I have to agree with you, it is a rare occurance

perhaps I should have originaly said "if someone wants to make an argument for or against somthing, one of the things they should do is base it on the facts. It is not the only thing they should do, but it is one of the things they should do." that better GundarK?

Author: GundarkHunter
Time: 17-Jul-2004 6:17 AM
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Facts are slippery, especially when it comes to politicians. Fahrenheit 9/11 has a lot of facts in it, but the presentation and interpretation is what is getting Moore into hot water with hardcore right-wingers. Nothing new there, of course; the same thing happened with Roger & Me, The Big One and Bowling for Columbine.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

Author: sean wookie
Time: 17-Jul-2004 8:24 AM
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but it is all just for making money

Author: starkiller
Time: 17-Jul-2004 9:27 AM
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For a man that seems to hate capitalism...

Author: Warbler
Time: 17-Jul-2004 1:39 PM
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Facts are slippery, especially when it comes to politicians. Fahrenheit 9/11 has a lot of facts in it, but the presentation and interpretation is what is getting Moore into hot water with hardcore right-wingers. Nothing new there, of course; the same thing happened with Roger & Me, The Big One and Bowling for Columbine.

I agree its nothing new but that don't make it right.