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I think I’ve fixed my video stream issues. I’ve recreated the complex bit from my S01E02 Mandalore episode, and resynced everything. I’d appreciate some validation on that clip. If that syncs right and has no framerate issues, then that’s the last technical issue solved, and I can get on with more episodes.

https://vimeo.com/496375038

Also, I’m a bit stuck on Bail Organa in my S01E01 Christophsis episode. I’m using his scenes and audio from Cat and Mouse in three places:

  1. During Asajj Ventress’ fight with Obi-Wan and Anakin (originally from Hidden Enemy), bombers target Bail’s base, to make it seem like she was a deliberate distraction - I think this works because as soon as Anakin and Obi-Wan head outside they see a landing force has arrived, which emphasises they’ve been duped.
  2. At the beginning to the main Christophsis plot from the movie, I take a scouting scene from Hidden Enemy and play Bail’s “help me” dialogue and then have Anakin and Obi-Wan talk about it. Again, I think this works, because you’re now reminded that (1) there’s a large ground invasion force coming, and (2) Bail’s still under pressure so there are emotional stakes.
  3. At the very end, as Anakin and Ahsoka fly back from taking out the shield generator and arrive back at the main base, I cut in a shot of Bail saying “Thanks, you saved a lot of lives today” (originally the ending of Cat and Mouse). I don’t think this works perfectly. You can just about get over the fact that the background is a little different because it looks like Bail’s in shadow and there are shadows in the other surrounding shots. But it cuts right into Anakin and Ahsoka talking to Obi-Wan and Yoda without acknowledging Bail. I’d really appreciate if anyone could have a think about options here. I think ultimately if this doesn’t work, I’ll have to take out Bail altogether, cutting the previous two scenes too.

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Oh fantastic, you fixed the framerate issues!

The Mandalore clip is looking great. I still feel the cut away from the jetpacks and helmet shot feels a little premature but I don’t really know what you can do about that. TCW has a lot of weird editing anyway, as we’ve previously discovered. Perhaps if the subsequent shot of Satine was slightly longer it’d feel less like a sudden increase in pace, but I guess that one’s been trimmed for the music? Similarly, the music feels like it dips out oddly just before “Satine, look out!” but I suppose that’s a difficulty with the source. Could you cut to Satine sooner, or cut to Satine later into that shot, to bring the music in sooner?

The rest is flawlessly executed though, there’s no sense that there used to be a conveyor belt sequence.

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Yes - thanks for all of your help with that. TSMUXER is what’s fixed it for me in the end. So after I’ve repaired episodes one and two, I’ll spend a day watching Always Sunny and running all my sources through that for video and ffmpeg for audio.

Unfortunately as to your nitpicks, I’m using the longest possible shots there. It’s one of the things I’m meticulous about - I cut the longest possible shots out of the track, to give myself the most possible to play with, then I trim them down if needed. So I think that that version of the sequence is as good as it can be. And as you say, it’s no worse than Clone Wars’ slightly less-than-perfect standard, so I think it’s forgivable.

I don’t feel like the music drops, though - and looking at it, that is the original track which played there. But I don’t think it warrants a repair.

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The opening sequence looks good to me. I’m glad it’s coming together. Though I did just wake up, so my critical brain isn’t thinking just yet, I’m sure I’ll respond back if I find something out of place.

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And here’s the ending. Those credits took bloody ages, and I’m dreading recreating them fifty times.

There’s simply not enough concept art for this episode, so I’ve made the decision that all episodes in this show will feature a mix of concept art and other concept design like props and character models/costumes. It’ll be part of this show’s identity.

Either way, the ending can be found against episode S01E02 in my tracker.

I’m going to render the whole episode now as my first full complete release episode, version 1.0.

Then I’m having about ten G&Ts.

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EddieDean said:

Right, and here’s the rebuilt intro for S02E02 Mandalore episode.

https://vimeo.com/496397592

With huge thanks to McFibb for his v2 of the intro music!

Please, as before, let me know how you think this flows, in terms of timings, and feeling.

Having now rewatched the beginning of the The Mandalore Plot (S02E12 in the original), there is a shot of Kenobi’s ship exiting hyperspace and him flying towards the domed city on Mandalore. Are there any specific reasons for them to be cut?

Anyway, the intro looks and feels great. The timing of the text is perfect and the music is great too.

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Yes - the reason is because in the original, that has narration over it, so keeping it would require the full recreation of audio from scratch. That’s something I might consider in future, as my skills develop, but I don’t want to overload myself right now.

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Great intro for the Mandalore episode!

I’d like a link to the tracker to give you more detailed feedback in the future

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Sent! Oh that reminds me - I’ve put together the community credits as one screen of the normal credits, given the same timing as the other main credits. (KoK, you’re credited.)

It’s actually the most unfinished part of the episode, because I couldn’t find a blank starfield to put it over, nor the right font, so I rushed those four seconds out. But the text itself is complete. I’ll fix it for v1.1.

In the credits I can’t list everyone who’s commented in this thread, but I am trying to be as complete as possible when listing the people who’ve given this project at least a good volume of food for thought. I hope nobody finds that unfair - it’s certainly not my intention to minimise anyone’s contribution. If anyone feels under-credited, please message me either here or privately and of course I’ll include you.

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@EddieDean – intro looks awesome! Thanks for the opportunity to contribute.

A few nitpicks (feel free to disregard if you/the community disagree):

  • The title cards feel a bit too long, with the timing seeming disproportional for the last sentence on each card, particularly the first one.
  • In building the new music, I actually had a different broad vision of the timing. Using your video on Vimeo, timestamps below were my initial intention for the music to be matched to the associated “action”:

Pre-intro text music: 0:26 (no prob)
1st line: 0:31 (no prob, since 1st line is so short…)
2nd line: 0:34
3rd line: 0:40
Fade to black: 0:46
1st line, 2nd card: 0:49
2nd line: 0:54
3rd line: 1:00
Logo, growing: 1:05
Logo stop growing: 1:16
Logo cuts immediately to black: 1:20
Chapter title: 1:25 (no prob, but I could cut/crossfade a good 2-3 secs between 1:20 and 1:25 to tighten)

(EDIT: Happy to do a mock-up if the above doesn’t make sense.)

Of course, this is your edit; do what feels best!

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FIRST EPISODE RELEASED - S01E02 THE DEATH WATCH

Comprising original episodes s02e12 The Mandalore Plot, and s02e13 Voyage of Temptation.

It’s in the tracker.

McFibb, I’ll look into the timing when I’m more sober and/or when I’ve had more feedback, and I’ll fix up the community credits shortly too, for a v1.1. But I’m happy to call this RELEASE VERSION v1.0 , which makes this, finally, the first output after a long period of planning.

Thank you all for your help in getting this over the line. ❤️

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EddieDean said:

##FIRST EPISODE RELEASED - S01E02 THE DEATH WATCH

Comprising original episodes s02e12 The Mandalore Plot, and s02e13 Voyage of Temptation.

It’s in the tracker.

McFibb, I’ll look into the timing when I’m more sober and/or when I’ve had more feedback, and I’ll fix up the community credits shortly too, for a v1.1. But I’m happy to call this RELEASE VERSION v1.0 , which makes this, finally, the first output after a long period of planning.

Thank you all for your help in getting this over the line. ❤️

Well done, buddy! And major props to your correct usage of “comprised”. So excited to sit and watch!!

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I’m only in as far as the title but I have to say the intro is quite professional. The music is timed well, the text pacing is good, and the logo placements is official looking.
The opening of the episode is quite abrupt. I’ve not had time to follow this thread recently so I don’t know if it’s come up before, but a traditional establishing shot of the planet might be better. I know the text has introduced Obi but he still basically appears out of nowhere. the following scenes up until the throne room go by very quickly so even a few seconds of Obi on approach to the planet would fit.

I don’t know how much you’ve altered the footage from the original colours but it looks to me like the blacks are deeper which really works in this episode due to the intensive light effects in the city.

Why does Obi go to visit the mines? Why does the the mines level of operation indicate Death Watch activity? I don’t know if that was explained in the original or not but it’s odd. I was also confused by Obi’s lightsabre but I figured Vizlar picked it up from the factory on his way upstairs (I’m guessing he followed Satine).

I forgot the presence of Onn Free Tar (or however it’s spelt) but I’m glad it’s in this episode as a fat Twi’lek is highly relevant to the new series of The Mandalorian.

The end credits are well laid out. I don’t know if the inclusion of the character concept (the body rigs and so on) is as good an idea as the presence of the digital sketches as they get cut off quite a bit and the music is significantly louder than the other music in the episode.
The special thanks section has the left side and right side in different blues and there’s a rogue full stop floating at the bottom.

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Hey, can I get an access to the tracker too? Can’t wait to check this out.

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EddieDean said:

Yes - the reason is because in the original, that has narration over it, so keeping it would require the full recreation of audio from scratch. That’s something I might consider in future, as my skills develop, but I don’t want to overload myself right now.

Got it, thanks!

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The opening of the episode is quite abrupt. I’ve not had time to follow this thread recently so I don’t know if it’s come up before, but a traditional establishing shot of the planet might be better. I know the text has introduced Obi but he still basically appears out of nowhere. the following scenes up until the throne room go by very quickly so even a few seconds of Obi on approach to the planet would fit.

The answer to your question lies above.

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Dr. Krogshöj said:

Artan42 said:

The opening of the episode is quite abrupt. I’ve not had time to follow this thread recently so I don’t know if it’s come up before, but a traditional establishing shot of the planet might be better. I know the text has introduced Obi but he still basically appears out of nowhere. the following scenes up until the throne room go by very quickly so even a few seconds of Obi on approach to the planet would fit.

The answer to your question lies above.

Indeed it does. I did also state I’d not been reading the thread for a few days. It does however make sense. An extension to the scene would require the unedited soundtrack.

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Artan42 said:

I don’t know how much you’ve altered the footage from the original colours but it looks to me like the blacks are deeper which really works in this episode due to the intensive light effects in the city.

It should be the same as the original, but I’ll settle for acceptable. Can anyone else verify whether it looks different?

Why does Obi go to visit the mines?

I’m sure the episode explains this- he’s suspicious that they may be active and Death Watch, and goes to check them out.

Why does the the mines level of operation indicate Death Watch activity?

They’re clearly being used to produce new Mandalorian armour- the same armour that the commando who attacked the Republic cruiser was wearing. He trusts that Satine would be telling him if the peaceful Mandalorians were producing their own armour again.

I don’t know if that was explained in the original or not but it’s odd. I was also confused by Obi’s lightsabre but I figured Vizlar picked it up from the factory on his way upstairs (I’m guessing he followed Satine).

Yeah, you do just kinda have to assume that. There is time for it to work off screen.

I forgot the presence of Onn Free Tar (or however it’s spelt) but I’m glad it’s in this episode as a fat Twi’lek is highly relevant to the new series of The Mandalorian.

I cut just a little of that scene, because there’s a slightly obnoxious bit, but I figured that the rest was harmless enough. I don’t want to be particularly aggressive with my cuts.

The end credits are well laid out. I don’t know if the inclusion of the character concept (the body rigs and so on) is as good an idea as the presence of the digital sketches as they get cut off quite a bit

I think I’ll polish up the movements to better highlight the key areas of the images. But to be honest I’m limited here because there simply isn’t enough of the concept art to fit. We’ll get used to it as part of this show’s identity, I think.

and the music is significantly louder than the other music in the episode.

Good shout, I hadn’t checked the relative levels. I’ll fix that.

The special thanks section has the left side and right side in different blues and there’s a rogue full stop floating at the bottom.

Dammit, I knew I’d forget the full stop. I’ll revisit the whole credits part.

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EddieDean said:

I think I’ve fixed my video stream issues. I’ve recreated the complex bit from my S01E02 Mandalore episode, and resynced everything. I’d appreciate some validation on that clip. If that syncs right and has no framerate issues, then that’s the last technical issue solved, and I can get on with more episodes.

https://vimeo.com/496375038

Also, I’m a bit stuck on Bail Organa in my S01E01 Christophsis episode. I’m using his scenes and audio from Cat and Mouse in three places:

  1. During Asajj Ventress’ fight with Obi-Wan and Anakin (originally from Hidden Enemy), bombers target Bail’s base, to make it seem like she was a deliberate distraction - I think this works because as soon as Anakin and Obi-Wan head outside they see a landing force has arrived, which emphasises they’ve been duped.
  2. At the beginning to the main Christophsis plot from the movie, I take a scouting scene from Hidden Enemy and play Bail’s “help me” dialogue and then have Anakin and Obi-Wan talk about it. Again, I think this works, because you’re now reminded that (1) there’s a large ground invasion force coming, and (2) Bail’s still under pressure so there are emotional stakes.
  3. At the very end, as Anakin and Ahsoka fly back from taking out the shield generator and arrive back at the main base, I cut in a shot of Bail saying “Thanks, you saved a lot of lives today” (originally the ending of Cat and Mouse). I don’t think this works perfectly. You can just about get over the fact that the background is a little different because it looks like Bail’s in shadow and there are shadows in the other surrounding shots. But it cuts right into Anakin and Ahsoka talking to Obi-Wan and Yoda without acknowledging Bail. I’d really appreciate if anyone could have a think about options here. I think ultimately if this doesn’t work, I’ll have to take out Bail altogether, cutting the previous two scenes too.

After watching the rough cut, I’m wandering if the scenes from Hidden Enemy and Cat and Mouse add anything at all to the episode. Might it not be easier to just cut Bail altogether? That way, the episode would begin with the droids advancing and Anakin attacking. If runtime ends up short, maybe you could restore the scenes of Obi-Wan stalling with General Loathsome or whatever his name is.

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I’d really like to avoid Loathsome(?). He’s a very goofy villain.

I think the Ventress stuff is additive though, relatively speaking. Though there’s certainly an argument for dropping… well… almost all of Christophsis.

I take satisfaction from the fact that it’s at least far better than the original movie just since it doesn’t have the Huttlet bits.

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EddieDean said:

I’d really like to avoid Loathsome(?). He’s a very goofy villain.

I think the Ventress stuff is additive though, relatively speaking. Though there’s certainly an argument for dropping… well… almost all of Christophsis.

I take satisfaction from the fact that it’s at least far better than the original movie just since it doesn’t have the Huttlet bits.

Loathsome is a goofy villain for sure, but I at least take some enjoyment from Obi-Wan’s dialogue. It’s refreshing to see Jedi actually do something other than fighting. As for the Assajj/Kenobi/Anakin three-way, Neverargreat pointed out in another thread that every inconsequential lightsaber fights takes away from the mystery and coolness of lightsabers.

Just my two cents though - it’s your edit after all! And it’s definitely better than the original movie with Baby Jabba.

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Sassy/clever Obi-Wan is always good value, agreed. But in this instance I think it’s more of a gain to cut Loathsom.

I do definitely agree that every lightsaber fight cheapens lightsabers, but like the battle droid voices, they are unfortunately just part of the fabric of Clone Wars. My hope is that even after my edit, TCW and Rebels remain the least good Star Wars TV shows- I’m just trying to up the quality of TCW where it needs it most.

I’ll always try to judge the inclusion of lightsabers (or anything) on their pros and cons- in this case I think Ventress having tricked them is a cool intro for her and adds some threat to the episode beyond just “TANKS ARE COMING”. But I’ll also always stay open to community opinion.

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