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The Original Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 18

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I just thought of another idea for my Vader duel scene idea that I think is awesome and would add a layer of character to Vader: if he, at some point during the duel, asked one of the Jedi in a very commanding, interrogating tone, “Where is Kenobi?” I think just that alone would make him look even more relentless, as it would show how after all of those years he still really wants to kill his old master, the one that maimed him.

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https://youtu.be/yix_9g_Ob74?t=165

This new(-ly released) footage from Han and Leia’s first kiss vastly improves the scene, imo.

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Ed Slushie said:

https://youtu.be/yix_9g_Ob74?t=165

This new(-ly released) footage from Han and Leia’s first kiss vastly improves the scene, imo.

A lot of really good alternate-angle shots for a lot of scenes there.

Would make for a good “slightly different” edit of the films that still are the same storyline but feel like a new experience.

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Ed Slushie said:

https://youtu.be/yix_9g_Ob74?t=165

This new(-ly released) footage from Han and Leia’s first kiss vastly improves the scene, imo.

Ah, so that explains the continuity error! Leia always looked uncomfortable in the close-up shot, then looked kind of into it in the next shot.

Wonder why they cut that bit. Not only does it fix that error, it also makes the scene a lot less creepy.

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This material would definitely be good for an Empire Strikes Back: Slightly Extended Edition. 🤣

The one unfortunate thing is how some shots are messed up by the added text that occasionally appears at the bottom.

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A couple of scenes in The Madalorian episode 16 may come in handy if you want to expand Return of the Jedi just a little bit…

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I get what you’re saying but I don’t see how said footage would be able to be used in any other context then the context of The Mandalorian.

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G&G-Fan said:

I get what you’re saying but I don’t see how said footage would be able to be used in any other context then the context of The Mandalorian.

I was thinking one sequence could be treated as a epilogue (complete with “years later” text), and a post-credit sequence for the other.

Who cares about context? It’s a fun exercise, and it’s a hell of a better alternative than yub nub.

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Looks like they’ve realized the OT is, and always will be, the most popular era, so they’ll be building on it with all the tv series going forward. They may be brave enough to rewrite/retcon the sequels at this rate.

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It hasn’t always been the most popular era. From 1999 until the buyout, I’d argue the PT era was more popular. It’s just for some reason the new regime is obsessed with the OT. Where are all my PT and ST spinoffs? The most we’re getting only now is one High Republic show, still drowned out by the myriad of OT-adjacent material.

And they aren’t gonna write the Sequels out of existence any more than the Prequels.

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The prequels were a hundred thousand times more unpopular than the sequels, and Lucasfilm had the means and opportunity to decanonize them from 2012-2014 and be met by happy fans, but they didn’t. They’re not going to retcon or rewrite the sequels.

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People forget just how recent the turnaround in popular opinion of the prequels is. I think the large subreddit /r/prequelmemes has had a hand in the shifting of popular opinion, and that wasn’t even created until late 2016.

Sometimes I like to amuse myself by going back to read old comments on The Force Awakens trailers. There were a lot of people talking about how great it is to see X-Wings and Stormtroopers and the OT “lived-in” aesthetic again, and being very scathing towards the prequels (there’s also people guessing that Luke was disillusioned by Ben’s turn as early as the second TFA trailer, even though these days everyone seems to blame Rian Johnson for “subverting their expectations” with that story development…). That’s why TFA has lines like “This will begin to make things right!” and blows up a Coruscant substitute, and why Battlefront 1 and launch Battlefront 2 had characters like Greedo and Bossk but not Obi-Wan. But Disney have observed the shifting of the tides and have been bringing us content like TCW Season 7, all the post-launch Battlefront 2 heroes and maps, prequel references in Mando, etc.

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Yes, the prequel material was redeemed by the expanded content such as The Clone Wars, but the appreciation for the actual prequel trilogy either comes from a desire to ‘fix’ them in post or to enjoy them ironically. Revenge of the Sith is a good movie, but is endlessly quotable for the wrong reasons, sans maybe the Plageius speech at a stretch.

What few ST spin-off content we have had so far hasn’t been that great, noone’s worked out a meatier hook for Sequel content just yet, and some of the actors are currently in their “won’t do that again phase” of their careers, or have X-Pac Heat with the fans.

Right now, it’s understandable there is a desire for more OT content because that’s the least divisive of all the trilogies (unless you count the special editions), and we often barely scratched the surface of what it can offer, where as in the prequel’s case, I feel we’ve explored pretty much everything by this point.

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SparkySywer said:

The prequels were a hundred thousand times more unpopular than the sequels, and Lucasfilm had the means and opportunity to decanonize them from 2012-2014 and be met by happy fans, but they didn’t. They’re not going to retcon or rewrite the sequels.

Lucas stood by the prequels to the end. I don’t think anybody is all that passionate about the sequels. The prequels were Lucas’s child, the sequels are just a (lacklustre) product.

I find it ironic that the sequels begun by throwing a lot of shade at the prequels, to an extent understandably so (“this will begin to make things right”), but by the end they were desperate enough to cling to prequel memes in an attempt to hold any sort of legitimacy.

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Wexter said:

The prequels were Lucas’s child, the sequels are just a (lacklustre) product.

This is one of the things I appreciate about TLJ - it’s very clearly Rian Johnson’s film; written and directed. You watch that movie and you get an insight into what RJ thinks about Star Wars; like how KOTOR 2 gives you a big fat injection of Chris Avellone’s take on Star Wars. JJ, on the other hand, had co-writers for both of his movies, doesn’t answer questions on Twitter, is much more of a director than a writer etc. and consequently his two sequel movies don’t feel like they have a clear idea of what they’re trying to convey to the audience. I don’t think they were “made by committee” but they certainly give the impression of being far from the work of a single auteur.

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I agree TLJ has a clear creative vision, my problem with that one is that the vision simply doesn’t gel with the previous seven films. Rian was clearly passionate about his film, he just didn’t seem to care all that much for the rest of the saga – and even less so for the larger lore. Giving him a spin-off film or series set in a different time period would have clearly been a much better choice.

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They weren’t made by committee, but they were made by someone who doesn’t care much for an auteur’s vision, and just likes dangling keys in front of the audience.

Abrams has never been a man with a vision. TFA plays out like a madlibs prompt for a story more than a story in itself, and TRoS plays out like a really bad attempt to fill in those blanks by someone who very clearly had no intention of ever doing so.

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I dunno if this the right place to ask something like this but since it’s ESB-related…

Does someone know if there’s an edit of the Empire Strikes Back portion of Galaxy Of Adventures in chronological order?

I ask about this film in particular because it seems to be the “most complete” in the series art style

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I recently had an idea to incorporate Vader’s hallway-scene into ROTJ.
It could serve as a starting point for a completely new subplot about Vader letting the plans and position of the new Death Star slip to the Rebellion, because he knows the Emperor will be there and is anticipating a chance to get rid of him. It would also add another dimension to Vader being stationed on the Executor instead of the Death Star, as well as the Rebel shuttle sneaking past the blockade as all of this might well be part of Vaders plan. And not just to turnLuke over but to destroy the Emperor as well. On a side note, him continuing to plot against his master would make Vaders character more coherent to ESB.
The twist to this little plot would of course be Palpatine revealing his puppet game and foresight.

Appart from this plot idea the hallway scene would further vilify Vader and thus add more to Lukes struggle to save his father and it would plainly give Vader something to do and be the Character he is in the ANH and ESB, as there are no officers for him to choke in this iteration of the saga 😉

“Vader! Hologram, now!”

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That would literally undermine his redemption arc, since at that point he is conflicted between the light and the dark; that’s why the scene where he chokes an officer was removed from Return of the Jedi.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

That would literally undermine his redemption arc, since at that point he is conflicted between the light and the dark; that’s why the scene where he chokes an officer was removed from Return of the Jedi.

I disagree, this scene would be placed in the beginning, kind of like Kylo fighting on Mustafar in TROS, which didn’t impact his redemption arc.
On the contrary this would tie his character to the previous episode and allow the audience to see him change throughout the movie, as instead to seeing him changed in comparison to the last movie.

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Hmm, I could see that. If you could alter Mon Mothma’s line about “Many Bothans died to bring us this information”, it would be like she would be referring to that attack.

Although, we could assume Bothans wasn’t necessarily an alien race, but could be a term for humans, like Corellian, Alderaanian, etc.

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RogueLeader said:

Hmm, I could see that. If you could alter Mon Mothma’s line about “Many Bothans died to bring us this information”, it would be like she would be referring to that attack.

Although, we could assume Bothans wasn’t necessarily an alien race, but could be a term for humans, like Corellian, Alderaanian, etc.

Yes, in fact I can see it very well replacing the opening scene.

Here is a quick mock up:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1scEfnJS3_oHrsvhcyagVunEfQ3eLkdvK/view?usp=sharing

With some more tweaking this could well work I think

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