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Post #1393357

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JakeRyan17
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Mando EP2: Search for the Jedi [V2 RELEASED]
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14-Dec-2020, 5:33 AM

CMMAP said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Does Din know that Gideon dies? How does Luke know Vader’s alive in Empire Strikes Back? His ship was shot down in space…

You all keep saying plot hole, it’s not a plot hole.

The difference with ESB is that there was a time skip of 3 years in between ANH and that movie, by which point Luke would have has plenty of time to figure out Vader was alive. Mando doesn’t have any time in season 2 to figure that out offscreen, he’s on a mission the whole time. It is a plot hole.

Except we don’t see the entire conversation between Boba, Fennec, and Din as they get on Slave I, fly to Nevarro, then as Cara boards Slave I and they fly to meet Mayfield. There’s plenty of off-screen time to assume a conversation takes place.

Lines in Chapter 15 could also be changed and cut around to “where they took him” instead of saying Gideon by name if it’s THAT big of a deal to you, but it’s something that will easily be assumed and then character development and raising stakes can be preserved.

Our lead character making sacrifices, showing growth from when he refused to do the same action in the previous film’s climax, is a far more important aspect to the story being told, and has more bearing on the primary relationship between Din and Grogu.

Fair point. But as long as I didn’t get rusty in storytelling and direction, you should never let the audience assume everything vital to a story and therefore show it (either by words or image).

I understand that, but no matter what: the audience will have seen Gideon’s survival beforehand. Between the scene in The Heiress (talking to Imperial officers) and his scene at the end of The Siege (which could still be connected to the repair seen in The Heiress). This is all assuming that the scene at the end of Redemption isn’t restored to the first film. The scene in the Imperial base doesn’t communicate anything to the audience that won’t be revealed in greater detail later, more than likely this week.

And I may have mis-remembered in Chapter 12, but I thought I remembered Din trying to contradict Bo-Katan and say that Gideon was dead… that would be after her telling him he’s not dead, right? Or by saying something that informs him that Gideon is alive, which is why he attempts to contradict her. I dunno, maybe that’s in The Siege somewhere. It doesn’t really matter though, as that’s not a significant detail. Cut him thinking Gideon is dead and then the problem is solved.

It’s really simple to remove the one line Din has of assuming Gideon’s death. Otherwise, there’s no reason for him to assume that a man he already thought impossibly escaped death did so again in a means we’ve seen at least four times on screen now (surviving a TIE crash; ANH, TFA, TRoS, Ch8).

I’ve always advocated for adding Gideon’s survival, but Smudger has been pretty clear he doesn’t want to. I do think his character development in The Believer is significant enough for inclusion. It’s the low point before Act 3, showing how much Din has changed and grown, and how much he cares for Grogu.