This is about as productive as an average political debate.
I’d go further: It’s about as productive as the Trump vs Biden debate.
JakeRyan is Trump in this scenario.Because THAT statement is productive. 🙄
I’m only disagreeing about concepts and content, I’m not actively trying to be an asshole to you.
But we’re just saying stuff like “I think it looks cool” while you’re saying “BUT ACTUALLY, there’s never been any red lighting in the movies before, so you can’t just show it without any explanation, OBJECTIVELY WRONG!”
Completely ignoring the fact that new Force powers have shown up all the time without explanation in these movies, and that’s how Force lightning became part of the franchise in the first place. That’s why I made that comparison, because it just feels like you’re sucking the fun out of a potentially neat idea.
And i didn’t resort to attacking you as a person, I talked about storytelling techniques and why introducing something that impacts the plot is different to changing something that had already been established. It’s not a new power, and if it is… it should be presented as a new power. But it isn’t.
You’re countering that with “it looks cool, and you’re like Donald Trump for disagreeing!” 🙄
But I already established that new powers can show up in Star Wars with no explanation. Force levitation showed up, and no one treated it like it was anything new. Force lightning showed up, and no one treated it like it was anything new. Force running showed up, and no one treated it like it was anything new. The list goes on. Red lightning isn’t really a new power anyway, and it doesn’t affect the plot, it’s just an aesthetic choice to highlight Palpatine’s power.
And the Trump comparison was a bit too extreme. But AniStar had just mentioned political debates, so it was right there.
If it was a new power, being treated like a new power and being reacted to accordingly, I’d agree with you. But it isn’t. Rey is prepared and recognises it, from her experience with Snoke and her own earlier use.
Looking at these other examples of new powers being established: people react to them. It affects what’s going on. Changing an established power in the middle of the climax, doing it without the ability to make characters react to the change, it just doesn’t work for me.
Being a dick because it’s easy to be a dick isn’t a great excuse.