Indeed. I don’t have much time or headspace to delve into this one, and probably wouldn’t really spark much, so I’m dedicated to putting out my regular TROS edit and then plugging in whatever consensus or best approach emerges from this discussion.
Idk, since your edits tend to be conservative ones for others to work off of, maybe you should just leave it in and let others the work? Then again, it is a really cringey plot point, so I guess the edit wouldn’t feel complete without its removal.
Eh, I’m willing to just wait as long as ends up being needed for this angle to be worked out and put out an alternate version. I might even go for it on some viewings.
I personally felt like Rey was very much tempted by darkness during TLJ.
Less than relevant anecdote but I saw TLJ twice in movie theaters and the second time I remember it feeling kinda jarring seeing Rey be all good and innocent at the beginning of the movie, after having her at best push at her boundaries over the course of the movie.
Reading R + L ≠ J theories
So instead of doing more important things, I wanted to take a crack at playing around with the Hangar Scene for a Rey Nobody edit. I like the potential of a “Rey killed her parents” version, but I wanted to try something more straightforward. It’s not as compelling, perhaps, but it is still less offensive than Rey Palpatine.
In this version of the film, I would remove any reference to Rey recognizing Ochi’s ship, or Rey seeing her parents in any vision. I may try to tackle the Force bond duel at some point, but in this version I would probably shorten the scene, and replace a lot of the dialogue with more generic taunts about Kylo sensing the darkness within her.
This version of the hangar scene just has Kylo Ren confirm Rey’s fears about the vision she saw earlier in the film. Rey’s reaction to info she already has might seem a little dramatic, but in my mind, I interpret Rey’s reaction as her starting to feel that her future is fated and inescapable. But a part of her is still in denial, convincing herself that Kylo Ren is lying in order to manipulate her.
Here’s a rough test for their hangar interaction: https://vimeo.com/447063673
And here’s an alternate line read for Kylo near the end of the scene, keeping closer to the original line: https://vimeo.com/447069546
Oof! Where have I been! Good stuff. Similar to what I’ve been working on (I think I shared some of it? with you? it’s been awhile) but this is a much cleaner way of saying what I want him to say!
Man this might give me the boost to finally push my edit over the finish line actually, this scene really kinda got to me and depressed me a bit because I felt like I couldn’t crack it.
Yes! Our conversations inspired me to try to approach it with more simplicity than I was before.
I’m glad to hear that! I love a lot of the choices you’ve made so far with yours, so I’d be excited to see you play around with it more. I’m planning to work on the Force bond duel next week, so maybe that’ll inspire more conversation. I think the main difference of my approach is that I’m removing any reference to Rey’s parents or Palpatine wanting to find/kill her as a child. I’m going to try and keep the scene length/pacing the same, but I want to shift Rey’s emotional tether from what happened to her parents in the past, to what will happen to her friends in the future. We’ll see how that turns out.
So instead of doing more important things, I wanted to take a crack at playing around with the Hangar Scene for a Rey Nobody edit. I like the potential of a “Rey killed her parents” version, but I wanted to try something more straightforward. It’s not as compelling, perhaps, but it is still less offensive than Rey Palpatine.
In this version of the film, I would remove any reference to Rey recognizing Ochi’s ship, or Rey seeing her parents in any vision. I may try to tackle the Force bond duel at some point, but in this version I would probably shorten the scene, and replace a lot of the dialogue with more generic taunts about Kylo sensing the darkness within her.
This version of the hangar scene just has Kylo Ren confirm Rey’s fears about the vision she saw earlier in the film. Rey’s reaction to info she already has might seem a little dramatic, but in my mind, I interpret Rey’s reaction as her starting to feel that her future is fated and inescapable. But a part of her is still in denial, convincing herself that Kylo Ren is lying in order to manipulate her.
Here’s a rough test for their hangar interaction: https://vimeo.com/447063673
And here’s an alternate line read for Kylo near the end of the scene, keeping closer to the original line: https://vimeo.com/447069546
I love this. The only thing I really don’t care for is the “you have his power” line. Even divorced from the original context, it rubs me the wrong way.
I wonder how well it would work with the substitution of “dark power” from my version. I think everything else works better than what I had.
I agree that replacing that line “you have his power” would be helpful for the scene since it does still somewhat refers to a connection between her and palps since it specifies “his” power.
EDIT: rewatching it, the line “have his power” may still work. If you are using Hal’s base, the beginning of the movie has changed where Palps tells Kylo about HIS end game … get struck down and him and other Sith pass on to the “striker.” So sure, that line and knowledge Kylo has makes sense.
So because of that logic, it can work. I guess the only minor issue with that … is now Rey has knowledge that if she strikes down Palps, she “gets” his power. I don’t think she should have that knowledge, or thinking, when she confronts palps. Though we the audience knows his “plans,” Rey should go in blind without any of that part information.
Granted that is somewhat minor, but I admit after watching it again and I am assuming this will use Hal’s edit as a base with the change in the beginning, it can work. But it kind of takes away the “surprise” for Rey at the end.
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Yes, “you have his power” is tricky, I think if possible I’d like to change it to “you’ll have his power.” Foreshadowing the transference but also not necessarily giving it away, since in this context it could also mean his power as in his throne and his command.
He actually is saying, “You won’t just have power, you’ll have his power.” I’ll try to make it sound clearer in a future version, but I also think our ears are sort of biased because we know what the line is already, and it is already a small line adjustment.
I think the issue is the speed of it, since you are trying to add a line in between his current dialogue. It’s tough since I do hear a sound, kind of like a “uh” sound, but its so fast it makes it kind of jarring since he is making a quick sound/word that comes out so fast in comparison to the rest of his delivery.
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Gotcha. I’ll try to find a more appropriate sound to better get the “you’ll” across.
Maybe take the words You and Pull and combine them in a sense, so its more of the “ull” sound, so it has the same “timing” as the original You word?
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Good idea. I’m using the same “You” word from the original, but just out the “ull” sound to the end of it. I’ll try to use the sound from “pull” next time.
He actually is saying, “You won’t just have power, you’ll have his power.” I’ll try to make it sound clearer in a future version, but I also think our ears are sort of biased because we know what the line is already, and it is already a small line adjustment.
Interesting, I did hear the “won’t” and was looking for “you’ll” but didn’t hear it.
Don’t know how you accomplished the “you’ll” but you could try to take the “'ll” from “we’ll kill him.”
I kind of hear it now, but I think it still needs some work. Great idea though.
I wonder if, to help drive home the premonition as a threat, Kylo could mention how Rey and Palpatine have shared the vision after he announces it to her.
When Kylo catches Rey in the forest in TFA (timestamp 1:18:08), he says to her while wearing his helmet, “The map. You’ve seen it.” I wonder if that line could be reused in the hangar right after the reveal, with a bit of tweaking to hide the recycling? Maybe even with some word replacement and emphasis adjustment, we could have “He’s seen it. You’ve seen it,” or maybe “He knows you’ve seen it.”
The explanation of the dyad that RogueLeader added, “I the light, you the darkness,” could be moved to after he says the dyad “two who are one” line, as Rey is backing up to the edge of the hanger (literally as he moves closer to the light of the door and she moves closer to the darkness of space, lol), which I think might improve the flow of his elaboration leading into “together, nothing will stand in our way.”
I’m in class right now but there is a ton of Kylo helmeted lines here. Not sure if any will be useful though
Posting this here as it may turn out to be a valuable resource to some of you. (Thanks to dgraham414 for bringing it to our attention)
I’m in class right now but there is a ton of Kylo helmeted lines here. Not sure if any will be useful though
Posting this here as it may turn out to be a valuable resource to some of you. (Thanks to dgraham414 for bringing it to our attention)
It’s worth pointing out that these are Matthew Wood, not Adam Driver. Some of them sound pretty close though.
It’s worth pointing out that these are Matthew Wood, not Adam Driver. Some of them sound pretty close though.
Yeah my mistake, I should have mentioned that earlier. I was thinking these lines might only be of use if an editor is missing a certain syllable or sound then perhaps these could fill some gaps in phrases and such.
Both routes have their good and bad aspects, and it seems the focus on the dark throne is probably the “cleanest” route.
I would NOT focus on the whole dark side thing … or let alone her being tempted so much by it. Because of the last movie … Rey has no problem with the dark. She “dove in” the dark side in TLJ (Water time on the island) with no problem and NO repercussion from it. So there is nothing tempting Rey with the dark in the aspect of “If i start doing this, I will go bad” TLJ threw that concept out. She is immune to it apparently. Plus she has no REAL temptations to join the dark side at all. (The whole throne scene in TLJ with Kylo trying to persuade her to join had me roll my eyes. She JUST MET THIS GUY, had a “moment”, even though the day before he murdered his dad and is part of the space nazi army that has attacked her several times. That proposal was suppose to be tempting?)
If there is a way that focuses on THE VISION of her being on the throne, without Kylo egging her on to join the dark side, even if they have cookies, would kind of help keep the two movies … kinda connected.
Sigh Disney.
The dark side tempted Rey to go to the cave so she would learn about the identity of her parents, and she found nothing but a mirror of herself. It basically misled her.
EDIT: Spelling.
Has anyone put together a list of scenes or moments that would need to be addressed for a Rey Nobody edit?
That’d be a useful reference!
I’ll try and write something up unless someone beats me to it.
I did what to mention that I am still planning on completing some of the other necessary scenes for a Rey Nobody edit. I have been busy all summer, and my contract got extended for another month, so I haven’t been able to return to this yet. I should be able to get to it by the end of November or December, though.
Not that I am the only one who can work on this, but I felt like letting y’all know I haven’t abandoned this idea or anything. Just busy with work right now.
Good to hear! You’re the man.