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StarkillerAG
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Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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15-Aug-2020, 1:32 AM

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

I guess with it only being Kylo, it didn’t bother me that no one else talks about Palpatine during the bulk of TLJ. To me, the First Order doesn’t know until the broadcast. There aren’t really any other lines of dialogue except trying to escape and then Rey & Leia on the Falcon at the very end. Then TROS starts with finding the message, and everyone on Ajan Kloss asking if the Emperor could really be back.

If you can think of lines from TROS that could be added to the films earlier, I have clean audio for it to work with. It just doesn’t feel necessary to me.

I guess you could contrive a justification, but it still feels weird to me. I still think that Hal’s approach, coupled with adding Palpatine’s introduction to the end of TLJ, is the option that makes the most narrative sense.

I guess leaving it as late and as subtle doesn’t fix the problem for me. In narrative story structure, the threat and conflict is introduced at the end of the first act. Leaving any of that primary conflict and threat out of The Force Awakens keeps the abrupt about-face change up in the third film, or even at the end of the second.

That would be the ideal, yes, but I don’t think it’s achievable through editing alone. The writers for the trilogy should have either gone full-on with the “They Saved Palpatine’s Brain” plot, or just stuck with Kylo and the First Order. It’s a problem with the writing, that editing can’t fix. I’m just searching for a way to slightly rectify the problem, while still feeling as natural as possible.

I realise that, I’m explaining why this felt more natural to me.

I know, and I’m explaining why I feel it isn’t achievable by trying to contrive it in editing. It just doesn’t feel seamless in my opinion.

Watching the full thing in context, I feel like it’s closer.

I’m ignoring information from outside of the films, obviously, such as how much time passes between films, etc. So, it’s not a year of no one mentioning Palpatine, the next movie starts with the heroes trying to confirm the message and the First Order being restructured.

Hux’s annoyance and being specifically anti-Kylo makes more sense with Kylo playing both (evil) sides since he didn’t know about Palpatine and viewed the First Order soldiers as his in The Last Jedi. To me it smoothed over a lot of those rough edges.

My cuts aren’t as drastically restructured though, and I haven’t seen Hal’s cuts to see how they compare.

Again, if you had ideas how to make them less contrived, which kinda feels like an aggressive word to keep flinging at me in a “radical” redux thread, I’m all ears.

Just watch Hal’s edits to see what I mean. They’ve added quite a few subtle hints at the true forces behind the First Order, without altering the plot too much. If you want more obvious teasing of Palpatine’s return, watch Poppasketti’s TLJ edit as well. He added Palpatine teases to the entire movie, culminating in Palpatine telling Kylo to find him. Those edits tease Palpatine’s return pretty much perfectly in my opinion, and you should really check them out.