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1997 Special Edition Audio Mixes, GOUT-Synced (Released) — Page 3

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So now the D+80 project has restored two frames from ESB that were missing from the GOUT sync. It seems the GOUT standard is being challenged as restoration projects use fewer and fewer GOUT-constrained sources.

I don’t know if this would be as easy as it was for the 4K83 project, but I was wondering if ESB was also on the boards for updating thus. I ask because the music editing in ESB is quite different between the pre-SE and post-SE mixes, and this is one area where I wholly prefer the “alterations” (which actually brought the score more in line with John Williams’ original intentions) to the original.

While I like the edits of the Hal 9000 tracks made for the entire trilogy, the one for ESB is sort of essential for me for that reason. I would really like to be able to play that mix with the D+80 version.

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Apparently there are two frames at the end of reel 5. The project documentation states “150204 two extra frames at end of reel (non GOUT)”, so the additional frames would be 150204 and 150205. I think I’ve heard those numbers from somewhere before (PAL sync?).

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I’ve been putting off watching the D+80 until hopefully the custom '97 soundtrack becomes available!

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Can you tell me where exactly the break in sync occurs? If you can show me the shot that has the two extra frames I shouldn’t even have to download D+80 and rip it and take the time and effort.

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I’m not sure, but apparently the GOUT audio is a couple of frames off as it is already, so hairy_hen and Schorman made new syncs of at least h_h’s 5.1 and the 1980 stereo that are in proper sync throughout, including the chunks that were off in previous GOUT syncs.

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My understanding is that the two frames are missing from the end of reel 10, which is the transition from Luke jumping down from the carbon freeze platform (having just knocked Vader from there), and the doors opening on the cylindrical corridor he follows Vader down. So it would be right about the 2:53 mark here.

According to Darth Mallwalker in this post, it’s: 150,204 | 1:44:24 | Reel11 | Luke bounces on trampoline (end of Reel10)

I really appreciate the work you put into these.

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Not a problem, and it should be relatively quick and easy to do. If two frames’ worth of space need to be added (or un-removed, I shouldn’t be surprised to find out as was the case with ROTJ) at that scene transition, that’s easy enough.

Assuming that’s all it’d need. I assume 4K80 will also sync to this, but I could update it further if needed for that.

Why don’t I plan to send it to you, Star Thoughts, before I release it? (Can’t promise when I’ll be able to.)

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My understanding is that the only difference in sync is the two frames.

That would be fantastic, I’ll definitely give it a good listen (real loud) — Let me know.

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I finally got the chance to put together an update to this project to sync with D+80. Look for it on the 'spleen or the Google Drive in the same place as before. I included the lossless audio output this time, rather than making it a separate download. So be aware before downloading the whole thing.

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For the GOUT-sync audio tracks HAL 9000 has collected/put together here, which encode version is believed to be the highest quality in terms of audio fidelity?

I ask because in looking at the D+77 release by oohteedee I see he notes that he has not muxed the DTS-MA audio track in. Since I’m an audio guy this got me wondering which GOUT-sync audio track would be the one I want to have muxed into my GOUT-sync releases.

Thanks!

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TinCanFury said:

For the GOUT-sync audio tracks HAL 9000 has collected/put together here, which encode version is believed to be the highest quality in terms of audio fidelity?

I ask because in looking at the D+77 release by oohteedee I see he notes that he has not muxed the DTS-MA audio track in. Since I’m an audio guy this got me wondering which GOUT-sync audio track would be the one I want to have muxed into my GOUT-sync releases.

Thanks!

I’ll say that Hal’s source for this project was the 1997 cinema DTS CDs, which are not lossless (I think they’re around 768kbps or something). Hairy_hen’s 5.1 mixes were made with uncompressed and/or lossless sources, so they’re higher bitrate.

Basically, Hal’s project is sourced from a newer official mix, but is lossy, while hairy_hen’s is sourced from older official mixes, but is lossless.

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…and completing the trilogy, the 2.3 version of D+77 is also no longer GOUT-synced, restoring the frame at 144053 (frame 144052 is at 01:40:08.169). It seems that as the GOUT itself becomes less relevant to current projects, it is no longer the standard, but rather the complete frame count is becoming more common on modern projects.

I know that I’m being “that guy,” and I know you never want to be “that guy,” but I was hoping that you could make a D+77 2.3 synced Star Wars. You know how much I appreciate the work you put into these tracks.

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According to Oohteedee, he added one frame that was missing from the NTSC GOUT, but present on the PAL GOUT and UHD Blu-ray. I don’t know which frame it is, though.

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Hal 9000 said:

Can you detail for me how D+77 2.3 differs from the GOUT?

There is an additional frame at 144053

Frame 144052 is at 01:40:08.169

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Hal 9000 said:

One frame 85% into the movie, eh?

Hardly seems worth it but sure, I can adjust that. Better to now while I still can!

That would be awesome.

It looks like going forward, a lot of projects will now be synced to a complete frame count for each film.

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In all honesty, I don’t think adjusting by a frame’s worth that late into the movie would be worthwhile. When I did this, I often had to find the closest frame to align to, with a GOUT audio track as reference. Sometimes it wasn’t a perfect match and I had to go with whichever frame alignment produced a lesser echo.
If I added a frame at that point in ANH I would have to do something to contrive a frame’s worth of repeated audio anyway. It just doesn’t make sense and the end result would not be appreciably better for it.
If I were in charge of getting a mix ready to play in theaters with D+77, I’d feel confident in what I’ve already done.

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So, as the guy who brought it up in the first place, having muxed the existing DTS file into D+77 v2.3, I can say that you’re absolutely right. The file as it stands works just fine regardless of the additional frame or not.

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Does that mean the SW 1997 SE track won’t be updated for D+77 v2.3?

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Swift S. Lawliet said:

Does that mean the SW 1997 SE track won’t be updated for D+77 v2.3?

I have watched the film with the existing DTS file, and it really isn’t necessary.

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