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Pagz
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I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT - WHY SO MANY SW FANS DISLIKED THE PT...
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21-Jul-2004, 7:33 PM
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because naboo is palpatines planet and it creates a sympathy vote for him.


See, that jumps way ahead and assumes all sorts of things. First, that's part of Palpatine's reasoning for having the Federation invade, but he can't share that reasoning with the Federation, because then they have amunition they can use against him. So, we come back to the same problem as before, that being that there is no motivation for the Trade Federation to invade Naboo. There needs to be some manner of strong compulsion for the federation before they would take such a drastic and risky step. 2ndly, once they've invaded, Palpatine keeps pushing for that signed treaty, in which case, there'd be no vote at all. Naboo would simply be under federation control, period. Proving that the signature was obtained under duress would take forever, and the process of finding out such would end up with the Federation losing their franchise, and the Queen restored to power, so again, no vote would be taking place.

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ok, in WW2 if Hitler had succeeded (which he came very very very close to doing) and he purged jews around the world, in a matter of years. in the late sixties how many ppl would really remeber the jew.


I expect a whole hell of a lot. Killing of a race does not erase them from history. Not to mention that in such a regime, those opposed to it tend to have their ways of circulating the POV and chronicling the history being erased. Just as in Russia, people continued to be religious in secret, so to would the truth about what had happened to the Jews have been kept. Not to mention, it's unlikely Hitler would have allowed such a huge feat to go uncelebrated. Of course, the offical slant on it would be much different, but you can bet he'd be proudly pointing to that "acheivement" for decades to come.

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that is a generation of people later with a facist government(the empire). there is alot that can be done in 20 years when you have a facist government.


True enough. However, I never saw any evidence in the Star Wars trilogy, beyond the existence of the Emperor, that society in general was terribly facist in nature. Granted, we don't see a lot of the universe at large in the films, but Tatoiine sure didn't seem to be under the heel of oppression, just impoverished. I got the distinct impression that as long as you kept quiet and didn't rock the boat, you keep carry on much as you had before Imperial rule. Granted, this isn't freedom, but niether is it outright tyranny. The very fact that Luke has heard of the clone wars, and the jedi knights, suggests that this isn't banned or controlled information. Which is part of the reason I therefore assumed the Jedi had to have been purged long ago. Long enough that at least 2 generations had grown up without them, and they were now merely stories. 50 years seemed like a reasonable amount of time. Anyone younger than 50 would have no firsthand knowledge of the Jedi.

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also to the point where the general public called the jedi magicians. well this mind set was around in TMP was well " what you think you are some sort of jedi trying to do mind tricks."


I don't think that line was indicative of public opinion of the Jedi so much as it encapsulated Watto's annoyance and amusement that this stupid offworled was trying to pull a Jedi mindtrick on a toydarian, who are imune to such.

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The difference here is that the Empire is not confined to a single continents worth of raw materials.
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yea but they are not defending and helping one continent together, the Galaxy is a big place, and this is a lot of fronts that need to be covered,


See, that assumes all out, total warfare, which the Rebellion was not. The rebels were far too small a group to have the Empire defending various fronts. In fact, the likelihood is that there were very few fronts that required actual defense. the Rebels were not about to strike at planets or population centers, these are the people they're trying to free from Imperial opression. They'll be after shipyards, millitary bases and the like.

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and as for the rebellion, they aren't being funded and are building there own stuff. they don't have access to the big technology that the empire has.


I don't know that they're building there own stuff. The X-Wing isn't rebellion made after all. And if a 9 year old slave can build a podracer with a signifigantly more advanced graphic display system 32 years before the rebellion or using X-wings, then perhaps there's a problem.

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I should also add that the NJO takes place 25 years after the OT and the technology is relitively the same. mayeb the SW galaxy has reacched a point of techonologycal advancement where it is very hard to get better.


A very good point, I hadn't thought about that before. Technology does seem to have come to a stand still by the NJO era hasn't it. Or perhaps its a function of our main characters generally using the same ships that they're accustomed to. Luke's X-wing is so imprinted on R2 that they work together at droid/counterpart levels, Han isn't about to ditch the Falcon. Other ships kind of flit in and out of the books. The X-Wing still seems to be in wide use, but beyond that, you don't get a lot of description of new ships. Unseen ships occasionally, like the fleet of prince whats his face, the one who wanted to Marry Liea. Or the ithorian botanical arks. But yeah, no major innovations from the novels, interesting.

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Absolutely, it is because the effects were primitive in 77. The problem is that no effort was made in the PT to match the displays to the OT. Hence the impression of more advanced technology.
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its not the PTs fault that is looks better then the OT,


Actually, it is. They could have made a conscious effort when making the films to match up the displays of the PT to those of the OT, but they didn't.

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I really wish he'd gone the route he did for the original trilogy, that is, writing the story, but leaving the script to professional, talented screenwriters. George is a good story man, but not a good writer. Why he continues to write them himself is a mystery to me. Oh well.
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i do to cus a good screen play script would have made it ez for most people to draw the conclusions that i have drawn about most of the plot holes that you have commented on. your are right it is a bad script in terms of connecting things i agree with you there but it is not a bad story.


I agree, it's not a bad story, it's just badly written. I, however, don't think it's a great story either. Had I been the one doing it, I certainly would have gone in a very different direction than what we've seen.