The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 177

I’m out of the editing game for a while cuz of ma computer but if anyone is interested here’s how I made Palpatine’s new lines.
Skywalker is dead!
The Republic, Destroyed

“Skywalker” - Return of the Jedi - The Emperor’s arrival. “You have done well lord Vader, and now I sense you wish to continue your search for young Skywalker”

“Is” - Rise of skywalker - Rey and Palpatine. “Luke Skywalker was saved by his father, the only family you have here is me”

“Dead” - Rise of Skywalker - Sith Sacrifice. “And with a stroke of her saber, the Sith are reborn. The Jedi are dead!”.

“The Republic” - Revenge of the Sith - Palpatine creates the Empire.“In order to insure the security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganised in to the first galactic empire”.

“, Destroyed” - Return of the Jedi - Palpatine zapping Luke with lightning. “If you will not be turned, then you will be destroyed” .
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Cool, man, thanks for the detailed breakdown. I could see something like that working as a replacement for that one line.

In thinking about Mustafar… It’s true that the original idea didn’t really pan out, of making it visually clearer that it was that planet using lava. As it stands we just extended it with more of the same environment. I keep getting, including from people IRL, a 50/50 split on finding the added video game footage believable vs weird. The only relatively noncontroversial shot is poppasketti’s TIEs, but I don’t think it really improves the scene to only add that shot alone. In light of all this, I think it would be better to leave it with the theatrical. 😕

Here’s how it would be with just the TIEs shot.

https://vimeo.com/434216027

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s how it would be with just the TIEs shot.

https://vimeo.com/434216027

I’ve always thought this approach would be best.

YES.

(Si, Threepio!)

Neerb said:

I think if the “Somehow, Palpatine has returned” bit is going to be replaced with the group listening to something, a big fancy broadcast isn’t the way to go. Instead, we should hear Palpatine speaking with Pryde, distorted enough to sound like a secret recording but clear enough to recognize their voices. This places emphasis on the spy subplot and foreshadows both that someone high-ranking is the spy, as well as that Pryde’s loyalty lies with the Emperor and not the Supreme Leader. It also potentially works as a red herring. If we hear Richard Grant speaking in the spy message and then later see him as a new character in the First Order meeting, he and Hux eyeing each other suspiciously from across the table, then an observant audience member will likely come to one of two assumptions: either Hux is the spy (now foreshadowed instead of a random twist), or Pryde is (a red herring, making Hux’s reveal and death a bigger twist).

Edit: if we want to split Palpatine and Pryde’s conversation from later in the movie, and do a bit of sentence-mixing, we could do it like this:

Spy recording on Ajan Kloss:
Palpatine: “Send the ships to a world they know. Let it burn. The Final Order begins.”
Pryde: “Yes, my lord.”

This gives context to Poe’s line, “He calls it the Final Order. In 16 hours, attacks on all free worlds begin.”

Then in the meeting after Leia’s death:
Palpatine: “The princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan, but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.”
Pryde: “As I served you in the old wars, I serve you now.”
Palpatine: “She will come. Her friends will follow.”
Pryde: “Yes, my lord.”

This is the same “Yes, my lord” used twice, but it’s far enough apart and appropriate enough for the situation that I bet a casual audience member wouldn’t notice.

https://vimeo.com/434221276
pw: fanedit

I did a super rough mock up of what this could theoretically look like… I don’t think anyone else did this lol, but I just quickly went through the pages. I’m sure Hal would make it sound much better than what I could do, but I think that, done right, it could work well.

kewlfish said:

Neerb said:

I think if the “Somehow, Palpatine has returned” bit is going to be replaced with the group listening to something, a big fancy broadcast isn’t the way to go. Instead, we should hear Palpatine speaking with Pryde, distorted enough to sound like a secret recording but clear enough to recognize their voices. This places emphasis on the spy subplot and foreshadows both that someone high-ranking is the spy, as well as that Pryde’s loyalty lies with the Emperor and not the Supreme Leader. It also potentially works as a red herring. If we hear Richard Grant speaking in the spy message and then later see him as a new character in the First Order meeting, he and Hux eyeing each other suspiciously from across the table, then an observant audience member will likely come to one of two assumptions: either Hux is the spy (now foreshadowed instead of a random twist), or Pryde is (a red herring, making Hux’s reveal and death a bigger twist).

Edit: if we want to split Palpatine and Pryde’s conversation from later in the movie, and do a bit of sentence-mixing, we could do it like this:

Spy recording on Ajan Kloss:
Palpatine: “Send the ships to a world they know. Let it burn. The Final Order begins.”
Pryde: “Yes, my lord.”

This gives context to Poe’s line, “He calls it the Final Order. In 16 hours, attacks on all free worlds begin.”

Then in the meeting after Leia’s death:
Palpatine: “The princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan, but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.”
Pryde: “As I served you in the old wars, I serve you now.”
Palpatine: “She will come. Her friends will follow.”
Pryde: “Yes, my lord.”

This is the same “Yes, my lord” used twice, but it’s far enough apart and appropriate enough for the situation that I bet a casual audience member wouldn’t notice.

https://vimeo.com/434221276
pw: fanedit

I did a super rough mock up of what this could theoretically look like… I don’t think anyone else did this lol, but I just quickly went through the pages. I’m sure Hal would make it sound much better than what I could do, but I think that, done right, it could work well.

its decent, i just have no idea what “send the ships to a world they know” is supposed to mean in that context

RogueLeader said:

https://vimeo.com/434214472

Oh no!

Someone has robbed me of my only purpose to this project! 😦

Just kidding Rogue Leader, What’s the source of those 3PO lines? They’re pretty perfect! Can you PM me if possible? 👍

mrbenjamino said:

kewlfish said:

Neerb said:

I think if the “Somehow, Palpatine has returned” bit is going to be replaced with the group listening to something, a big fancy broadcast isn’t the way to go. Instead, we should hear Palpatine speaking with Pryde, distorted enough to sound like a secret recording but clear enough to recognize their voices. This places emphasis on the spy subplot and foreshadows both that someone high-ranking is the spy, as well as that Pryde’s loyalty lies with the Emperor and not the Supreme Leader. It also potentially works as a red herring. If we hear Richard Grant speaking in the spy message and then later see him as a new character in the First Order meeting, he and Hux eyeing each other suspiciously from across the table, then an observant audience member will likely come to one of two assumptions: either Hux is the spy (now foreshadowed instead of a random twist), or Pryde is (a red herring, making Hux’s reveal and death a bigger twist).

Edit: if we want to split Palpatine and Pryde’s conversation from later in the movie, and do a bit of sentence-mixing, we could do it like this:

Spy recording on Ajan Kloss:
Palpatine: “Send the ships to a world they know. Let it burn. The Final Order begins.”
Pryde: “Yes, my lord.”

This gives context to Poe’s line, “He calls it the Final Order. In 16 hours, attacks on all free worlds begin.”

Then in the meeting after Leia’s death:
Palpatine: “The princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan, but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.”
Pryde: “As I served you in the old wars, I serve you now.”
Palpatine: “She will come. Her friends will follow.”
Pryde: “Yes, my lord.”

This is the same “Yes, my lord” used twice, but it’s far enough apart and appropriate enough for the situation that I bet a casual audience member wouldn’t notice.

https://vimeo.com/434221276
pw: fanedit

I did a super rough mock up of what this could theoretically look like… I don’t think anyone else did this lol, but I just quickly went through the pages. I’m sure Hal would make it sound much better than what I could do, but I think that, done right, it could work well.

its decent, i just have no idea what “send the ships to a world they know” is supposed to mean in that context

Yeah I was just following Neerb’s suggestion… it probably could just be “The Final Order Begins” and the “Yes my lord.” Then Poe can explain what the Final Order is.

Neerb said:

That was great! Yeah, the “world they know” thing, I was just throwing out ideas to move people away from the Fortnite broadcast by suggesting something a little less (hopefully, imo) ridiculous.

Maybe Palpatine’s line could be:

“The Final Order begins. Send the ships.”

Unless that’s too vague, or his cadence is too unnatural.

maybe something like “the day of revenge, the day of the sith, the final order begins” could be neat?

Neerb said:

That was great! Yeah, the “world they know” thing, I was just throwing out ideas to move people away from the Fortnite broadcast by suggesting something a little less (hopefully, imo) ridiculous.

Maybe Palpatine’s line could be:

“The Final Order begins. Send the ships.”

Unless that’s too vague, or his cadence is too unnatural.

I tested that one out and it sounded natural but you may have to cut the scene where all of the Resistance is standing in a circle short as there was a lot of time before Poe says “Somehow Palpatine has returned” and it felt weird with too much silence.

I’m seriously hoping we can pick up work on a Rey Nobody cut soon after this edit is finished.

Edit:

When I post during the day:

Very interesting. I like the idea of “A day of revenge, a day we all can share” or whatever, then Poe saying “He’s been planning his revenge,” then “The Final Order begins” and Poe saying “He calls it the Final Order… in 16 minutes attacks on all three worlds begins.”

“Skywalker is dead, the Republic, Destroyed. The work of generations is complete. The day of revenge is at hand, the day of the Sith. Send the fleet across all the galaxy, let it burn. The Final Order begins.”

“Yes my lord”

It raises the steaks from “a world they know” to the entire galaxy. It also ties everything in the past two films into a neat knot.

Now Poe’s dialogue makes more sense in response to this. “so Palpatine has been out there all this time, pulling the strings”

I’ve mocked up about every possible combination of the footage already. See my Vimeo channel (?) from that link to see the others. I didn’t put passwords on them.

idir_hh said:

“Skywalker is dead, the Republic, Destroyed. The work of generations is complete. The day of revenge is at hand, the day of the Sith. Send the fleet across all the galaxy, let it burn. The Final Order begins.”

“Yes my lord”

It raises the steaks from “a world they know” to the entire galaxy. It also ties everything in the past two films into a neat knot.

Now Poe’s dialogue makes more sense in response to this. “so Palpatine has been out there all this time, pulling the strings”

That’s very nice. It will likely be quite a while before I’d be able to sit down and assemble that myself, but hopefully applying a uniform radio effect will make it all cohere. Where would “across” come from?

If anyone would like to get that audio together, though, please feel free. I think that’d be a solid opening to the scene. 😃

What is the best source for the Palpatine message, shitty video game footage captured by some guy?