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Here it's about $5.23 per US gallon of unleaded 95-octane gas. (values converted for easy comparison)
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Good question. Over here it's about 2.09 reais (local currency) for each liter. let's see how much it is in dollars and gallons.

According to Google:

1 liter = 0.264172051 US gallons
1 U.S. dollar = 2.34990013 Brazil reais

... which seems to be correct.


2.09 reais a liter, than

2.09 - 0.26417
x - 1

2.09 = 0.26417x
2.09/0.26417 = x

7.91 reais a gallon


Now let's turn reais into dollars:

7.91/2.349 =~ 3.37 dollars

So it's 3.37 dollars a gallon.


So it's the incredibly expensive value of 3.37 dollars per gallon. Which makes me want to sell that freaking car and start riding a bike to work and other places... It mght sound like we have the same gas prices as you guys do, but the thing is, stuff here are usually way cheaper (except gas and electronics), and to compensate that sallaries are lower. So it's not a good comparison, because iet's way more expensive for us than to you guys over there.
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I paid 3.75 in Wisconsin today then went to and paid 1.96 for lunch. I should have walked to the resturant.

We'll all be fighting Mad Max style for gas in no time.

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I paid 2.69 a couple of days ago. I think its gone up though.

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We Americans have nothing to complain about, eh YIYF?
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Several gas stations in my town have gone out of business. As of yesterday, the highest I've seen is 3.40, the lowest I've seen is 2.99.
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Originally posted by: Mackey256
I paid 3.75 in Wisconsin today then went to and paid 1.96 for lunch. I should have walked to the resturant.

We'll all be fighting Mad Max style for gas in no time.



That would be great, then no one could make fun off the steel cage that is in my car.
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last time I checked the cheatest gas was about $3.25 in my area.
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Prices continue to rise! I filled up my little 2 door Honda Civic hatchback yesterday at the cheapest station I could find - 93.9 pence a Litre! It's going up and up and up with every passing day. I've no doubt it will be one pound a litre very soon. it cost me the equivalent of $70 to fill up my little car. If I had a Dodge Ram, I'd be in tears by now.

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they are around 9 DKR a litre...
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We here have two alternative fuels for cars. One is methanol (called plainly alcohool here), which costs about half of what regular petrol does. It was developed here during the oil crisis of the 70s. There are few cars equiped to run only on methanol, but there are lots of cars with engines capable of running on both regular petrol and methanol, and even at the same time...

The other would be propane or butane or other gas (not gas as gasoline, but "gas" gas). It's quite cheap, you can run 100 miles with 5 dollars of it. Some cars are also adapted to run on both. Problem is, it's expensive to turn your car into one of those, and it takes out the space in your trunk. Most of the cars that run on this kind of fuel are taxi cabs, but there are some people who have those on their own cars, I know a few who do.

Now, my question is: where you live, is there an alternative source of fuel? Now, for those conservatives who say "screw the nature I wanna burn some petrol and polute the world", I say that I'm asking this not because of the environment issues, which I know you don't care about, but based on the PRICE of fuel these days. The two alternatives are cheaper than regular petrol, are there any alternatives?

(Of course, there's also diesel, but I don't remember how much it costs)
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We have LPG Gas (Gas as in gas, not gasoline) which I think is the same as the stuff you were talking about Ric. Basically the petrol is used to start the engine and then the gas kicks in, but the only vehicles that are really equipped to use it are minibuses and larger, commercial vehicles. Private vehicles pretty much all run on regular unleaded petrol. If I could afforf a new car I would buy one of the Hybrid vehicles that Honda and Toyaot are making, which run on petrol for freeway driving and times when you need that extra kick, but run on electricity the rest of the time (city driving, etc). I don't know why all cars aren't made like that nowadays. You don't even need to plug them in or anything because the electric motor gets charged as the wheels turn. Also, in England, these vehicles fall into a lower insurance and tax band and are exempt from the Central London Congestion charge. It actually pays to own one of these. But right now I'm poor, so I'll have to stick with my 1985 civic.

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"I heard that part of the price increase came from some bad weather down by the gulf, dont know what that is about."

Something like 70% of fuel comes in New Orleans harbors, and is processed in Louisiana. Most of the refineries are down.

"then no one could make fun off the steel cage that is in my car."

LOL! Do you have a hidden self-destruct button as well?

"We have LPG Gas (Gas as in gas, not gasoline) which I think is the same as the stuff you were talking about Ric."

LPG is liquid propane, I believe. It's what is in barbecues. My father-in-law told me there used to be motorhomes designed to run on propane as well.

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Originally posted by: ricarleite

Now, my question is: where you live, is there an alternative source of fuel? Now, for those conservatives who say "screw the nature I wanna burn some petrol and polute the world", I say that I'm asking this not because of the environment issues, which I know you don't care about, but based on the PRICE of fuel these days. The two alternatives are cheaper than regular petrol, are there any alternatives?
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You shouldn't talk about things you dont' know, Ric. You think that if there was an alternative we wouldn't use it? Most U.S. Gas stations have ONLY Gasoline and Diesel. That's it.

Not only that, cars powered by anything else are rare and normally quite expensive. If we had alternatives, we'd use them. But we don't.

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If there were alternatives, maybe some people would use them, but admit it, there's a whole lot of people who would prefer to drive a big ol' gas guzzling 4X4, alternatives or not.

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You shouldn't talk about things you dont' know, Ric. You think that if there was an alternative we wouldn't use it? Most U.S. Gas stations have ONLY Gasoline and Diesel. That's it.

Not only that, cars powered by anything else are rare and normally quite expensive. If we had alternatives, we'd use them. But we don't.


If you don't have alternatives, it's because you guys don't want to. If we, this crappy third world country (I'm NOT being ironic, I know what we are) were able to develop two cheap alternatives (and currently working on 2 other, hydrogen cells and this vegetable oil), why can't the US? Or the rest of the world? Maybe some people don't want to?
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*sigh* Our cars aren't configured to run on alternatives. We don't use them because our cars can't.

All the desire in the world can't make a car run on something it wasn't designed to run on. If you want to blame someone, blame the manufacturers.

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*sigh* Well I KNOW that a car can't run on a fuel it wasn't meant to. What I mean is, how come the US dosen't sell both ALTERNATIVE FUELS and ALTERNATIVE CARS? We do. The UK does. Some other countries do. Germany does.

And ok, even if we agree with some people that say that petrol dosen't polute as much as scientists say it does, and that it will never end, must we keep burning one of the most expensive things around (petrol) to drag around our 1 and a half ton cars? Dosen't make more sense to have other alternatives?
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The greatest problem to overcome is the amount of energy it takes to create energy sources. Ethanol (manufactured from corn) is the US' leading alternative fuel for automobiles. Unfortunately, it takes more energy to grow, harvest, convert and distribute it than can be generated by it. Therefore it's actually a wasteful fuel. When the goal is to produce energy, you simply cannot go into a negative position.

The Waste Vegetable Oil (WVO) conversion on diesel engines I spoke about in the Oil Storm thread is one of the most interesting innovations. It won't scale for mass production, simply because as fat as we are, we don't eat THAT much greasy food. But it is a brilliant idea for the minority who will adopt it, mainly because it is re-using spent fuel that would otherwise pollute the ecosystem, because it can be found for free or on the cheap if you know where to look, and its mere existence gets enviro-newbies to think "you can do THIS with THAT?!?!?!?"

There is no silver bullet to solve the energy crisis, but we must get serious about two things:
1) Employing a variety of alternatives that don't take more energy to create than what is produced.
2) Adapting our refinery capacity to make use of Heavy Crude, which is spoiling in the ground while we barter life and limb for Light Crude. It won't last forever, but it can certainly get us through the next century while we figure out the long-term solution.

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To my knowledge, not counting diesel, the closest thing Americans have to a consumer-ready alternative is the Gas/Electric hybrid cars developed by Honda, Toyota and Ford (and others in the near future).

Around Cleveland, the only thing I've seen are a handful of the transit buses, which run on ?propane?.

AdigitalMan,
1. Building more refineries, whether for light or heavy crude, would certainly help matters.
2. There are plenty of other energy production methods, many of them renewable, which could help matters. Solar, water, wind, geothermal, fission, eventually fusion.
Granted, these are not viable for automobiles, but increasing dependance on them would allow the world to shift away from using gas, oil or coal for electrical production. Such a shift would allow for greater supply in non-electric applications.