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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion — Page 11

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That sounds excellent. I'd love to actually see the dueling instead of a blur of motion with the occasional saber twirling. After the TPM duel with maul, I don't know what Lucas was thinking when he decided to edit this. He already got it right...

R2's hero moments getting the spotlight during a flippnig WAR! comes off out of place. Anakin smirking at the camera and saying han's lines for no better reason than to try to be like han solo is distracting. Redundancy, the whole part with the buzz droids, stupid, imagine jedi need droids to get rid of little floating robot things. come on.... R2 forgetting he has the power to cling to a ship's surface is stupid, setting aside what happens in esb since that's years away and maybe he wanted a swim...?

Dooku knowing or even caring who skywalker is without any indication that he'd ever would in the previous movie just seems stupid. lol, there's stupid all over this thing. cheerleader palpatine, etc... good lordy this will be a chore. good luck, editors. You're gonna need it...

I like the idea of grievous being a rebuilt Maul. It's just so incredibly stupid that these jedi knights, with the force as their ally, would just rather hack the stupid magna droids to pieces and waste their time when they could disarm them and throw them into a wall or whatever. look at what obi did in episode 1 as a padawan. One wave of his hand and three dumb droids flew off their feet. Unless they have shields I suppose they're defensless against force attacks.
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A few points...

1. Was the Anakin VS Obi-Wan duel actually sped up? From what I could tell, they were just really trying to be the crap out of each other... I guess maybe since I do the whole sword-fighting thing I can naturally tell what's going on...

2. For keeping the whole Vader = Anakin thing and the twins a surprise for Ep V and VI, I suggest:
Stopping the Mustafar shot after Obi-Wan picks up the saber and leaves.
Have a new voiceover for the medical droid and have it say something like, "She's suffered too much damage to her throat to keep going on. We have to operate now to save the babies." I figure maybe some VERY brief indication that Padme has more than one kid might be nice as a little teaser...
Then basically cut off the bit with Bail talking about taking the girl, and when showing shots of Alderaan, make it appear he's returning home to his wife and child.

3. I find it amusing that the two most memorably bad lines in the movie are...

"YES!" -Palpatine
"NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" -Vader
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wait for november first then take all the deleted scenes off the second bonus disk, to make a fan edit of episode III. As not all the scenes for episode I and II were released i'm not holding my breath. Lucas won't release the cut scenes for the original trilogy either. Knowing some fan would probalbly alter his vision by making a longer cut of the film by restoring the deleted scenes, or take out all the useless cgi garbage.

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Despite almost categorically thinking that fan edits suck - there is a lot of material for you to work with in this movie. Heh.

In the Making Episode 3 "Going to the Dark Side" featurette, there's a behind-the-scenes thing going on. You can see Lucas watching the HD screen, and there's this marvellous shot of Vader looking up wearily. Why the heck they didn't use it, I haven't a clue. Needless to say, at such small size it'd be impossible to reincorporate from the QuickTime movie - but it really is a good looking shot.

Just out of interest - how do you suppose the best way to remove 'nooooooooooooo' is? I can't imagine the movie without it, it's priceless in so many ways.... hah.
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I'm thinking about creating two versions ... one with the Anakin=Vader stuff intact, and one that preserves the surprise.
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Alright, here's my thoughts on a ROTS edit. George and co. have already confirmed the Yoda on Dagobah scene will be back in the actual film. That's done. More of the Qui-Gon scene should be inserted (new shots could be done), the forming of the rebellion scene should go back in. George is insane for not adding the last one. It would do an even better job of relating ROTS to ANH. I mean, in ANH when Luke says "you know the rebellion against the empire?" that scene would reflect perfectly. Oh, and on the other prequels, TPM should have a CG Yoda, AOTC should have some of the "padme's parents' house" scene reinserted. And the original trilogy, Yoda should be all CG and Palpatine in ANH.
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Shit! Where was it confirmed? Sigh, and here was my last chance in thinking that one of his movies could make it from the theatres to the home format completely without change. Stupid little bastard!

Sorry. I'm tired.

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Alright, here's my thoughts on a ROTS edit. George and co. have already confirmed the Yoda on Dagobah scene will be back in the actual film. That's done. More of the Qui-Gon scene should be inserted (new shots could be done), the forming of the rebellion scene should go back in. George is insane for not adding the last one. It would do an even better job of relating ROTS to ANH. I mean, in ANH when Luke says "you know the rebellion against the empire?" that scene would reflect perfectly. Oh, and on the other prequels, TPM should have a CG Yoda, AOTC should have some of the "padme's parents' house" scene reinserted. And the original trilogy, Yoda should be all CG and Palpatine in ANH.


TPM should be a CG Yoda... No, but many others would agree with you.
AOTC should have Padme Parent Scenes restored... No, although some might agree with you. These scenes are already on the DVD's deleted scenes, and that's good enough for me.
Palpatine in the original movie... No, there's absolutely no reason. It would be completely gratuitous as he fits into the story no more than being mentioned as dissolving the Senate.
CG Yoda in OT... For goodness sake, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Wash your mouth out with detergent!

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I'm thinking about creating two versions ... one with the Anakin=Vader stuff intact, and one that preserves the surprise.


That would be cool.

How 'bout a third version, where we find out that Obi-Wan is actually Luke's father? With how the prequels were done (esp. since Ben and Padme have more chemistry in Ep. III than she and Anakin in the whole PT), and the casting choices, if I never saw the OT, I think that would've been a more satisfying revelation. I guess that a Fan Edit Gone Awry.
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As much as I love fanedits (and I think I'm gonna try and do one soon) I think some of you hear are getting a bit to, fussy. Yeah, some of the stuff in the PT was cheesy and silly, but I think some of you are going to far, removing TPM totaly! I mean come on, we need to see Anaikin with his mother for AotC to work, we need Qui-Gon for RotS to work out and if your thinking about Maul= Grevious then you need TPM for Maul! Also, Its not a 'Love Story' in TPM its little Anakin has a crush on Padme and Padme thinks he's cute for it, then when they meet again, Padme see how Anakin's turned out, she is atracted to him. This is turning into a rant rather than an opinion so I'm gonna stop for now but think about things in the films before making harsh cuts.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
I for one agree with you ric- upon re-watching there is no way that Vader/Death Star scene takes place 'immediately' after the events in ROTS. There are too many visual clues to the contrary (like you said- uniforms, as well as slightly changed Star Destroyers, the idea of Imperial forces in place so readily, that much construction on the Death Star)

Actually I think a good edit would leave it out entirely. Why is it needed? To beat us over the head with fact that the films are supposed to tie together? I don't think so.

And for that matter, why didn't GL just make Tarkin have been Palpatine's aid in the Senate instead of Blue Devil or whatever that guy's name was? I think THAT would have been cool- having Tarkin be sort of a 'secretary of defense' for the Old Republic after Palps got power. Instead we get blue guy, who when Yoda comes to confront Palps just walks out.


Just letting you guys know, I'm actually re-writing the story (and later, the script) to Episode II, and one of the thing's I've done is had Padme delegate Tarkin to represent her while she goes into hiding (after an assassination attempt). I've re-written the Episode I story already (at least, my working 6th draft of it), so you can check that out if you like.

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Already I don't like it.
I like the amount of thought that's gone into it, but right off the bat:

Changing Owen so he's in a better decision to say 'Anakin should've stayed here and not gotten involved...' or whatever.
First of all - he never actually says it, this is just Obi-Wan mouthing off.
Second - this is quite clearly an opinion formed in hindsight. It's been twenty years, and Owen thinks to himself "well I think Anakin should've stayed here (when he was 9) and not gotten involved (by leaving the planet, becoming a Jedi... whatever).
It is simply unecessary to change that aspect of the story, it already works fine. If I were you I'd worry about the bigger holes. Like eh, well... like me! I've been told I'm a 'hole' of some sort on this forum. Bwahhaah.
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We haven't visited this subject in a while.

Now that it seems Liam Neeson did NOT record his Qui-Gon dialogue, where does this leave future fan edits for RotS? Looks like MagnoliaFan will have to put those alternate plans into motion. More importantly, why DIDN'T Neeson record the lines? And why couldn't this have been resolved for the DVD at least?
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Originally posted by: Zebonka
Already I don't like it.
I like the amount of thought that's gone into it, but right off the bat:

Changing Owen so he's in a better decision to say 'Anakin should've stayed here and not gotten involved...' or whatever.
First of all - he never actually says it, this is just Obi-Wan mouthing off.
Second - this is quite clearly an opinion formed in hindsight. It's been twenty years, and Owen thinks to himself "well I think Anakin should've stayed here (when he was 9) and not gotten involved (by leaving the planet, becoming a Jedi... whatever).
It is simply unecessary to change that aspect of the story, it already works fine. If I were you I'd worry about the bigger holes. Like eh, well... like me! I've been told I'm a 'hole' of some sort on this forum. Bwahhaah.


To begin with, I have Anakin leaving Tatooine when he's about 15 or older, to avoid having to waste a whole episode on nothing. The main reason I did that was not so much for Owen to say those things, but for Obi-wan to become acquainted with Owen. If Obi-wan had never met Owen, AND if Owen wasn't a friend of Anakin's, then why would Obi-wan choose to give Luke to him and his wife later on?
a) He wouldn't even know him
b) Owen wouldn't know that Obi-wan was the 'cause' of Anakin's demise, and thus, resent him later for it
c) Owen wouldn't care or know about Anakin's demise full-stop
d) Owen wouldn't know anything about Luke's father, let alone Luke's own surname
e) Owen probably wouldn't even agree to look after Luke (why else would Owen accept the child from someone he resents if he wasn't duty-bound to do so for his friend?)

I have got to say, the Owen/Obi-wan problem has been the biggest one I've encountered in writing these. But mark my words, a lot of thought, and endless polemics have taken place to ensure that this all make sense, and I still believe that it stands.
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theredbaron: I think talk of your rewrite project would best be in the threads you have already made for them, as the purpose of this thread is discussion over editing of the actual Episode 3 film.
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The deleted scenes are as follows:
Shaak Ti killed by Grievous
Rebellion meeting in Bail's office
Rebellion meeting in Padme's apartment
Rebellion confront Palpatine
A Plot to destroy the Jedi
Exiled to Dagobah

source: DarthFirst
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Rebellion meeting in Bail's office and Exile to Dagobah are the two that should be reinserted, IMHO!!! The morons didn't insert them in the beginning, and that greatly angers me!!!

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They aren't going to mess with the flow of the film now, simply because ROTS actually is one of the Top 10 or so highly ranked films on RottenTomatoes this year. Lucas isn't going to hurt his chances of possibly getting some awards by dragging the film down time wise.

The next edition, I'm sure alot of this stuff makes it back in. Also, when the format expands in disc capacity with HDDVD, you will probably see a longer cut.
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Good, becuse those two scenes I mentioned are nearly essential! It amazes me the stupidity of the Lucas guys for not including the scenes!!! They tie the PT and OT together extremely well!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention that THE YODA SCENE ACTUALLY EXPLAINS LUKE'S RECCOLLECTION OF DAGOPBAH IN ESB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How does it even remotely address a piece of dialogue Luke never says?

Luke still never goes to Dagobah. Do you think Obi-Wan drops Yoda off before heading home?
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Yeah, I read that Obi-wAN and Bail bid goodbye to Yoda WHEN THEY DROP HIM OFF THERE! If that is the case, Luke would have been near the planet, and felt its presence.
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LUKE
Still... there's something familiar
about this place. I feel like...
I don't know...

STRANGE VOICE
Feel like what?


LUKE
(looking at the
creature)
Like we're being watched!

I think Luke senses Yoda as the fimiliarity, not Dagobah.

His reference earlier to something out of a dream was either a) seeing Yoda at birth or b)seeing Obi-Wan's spirit near death. He hasn't told anyone he sees Ben, and his hesitance to tell R2 reaffirms that he still isn't sure if he saw what he saw. The planet being where he thought it would be, his going there...all seems to be matching the 'vision' or dream he had.
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Right now I have 5 different ways laid out to deal with the Qui-Gon thing, with varying difficulties. (all feasable for me, listed from easiest to hardest)
1. If the cut scene is on the dvd - easy enough.
2. Cut the reference outright as Qui-Gon already has another influencial voice over in my version of III anyway.
3. Widen the shot after Obi-Wan says "Qui-Gon!" and have him appear standing next to Yoda.
4. Fake the voice over scene with Yoda using cleverly edited Liam Neeson samples from his body of work and also include #3.
5. Have Liam ADR dialogue similar to the script, then include #3 as well.

Well, looks like MagnoliaFan and the rest of the fan editing gang need to get to work on these contingency plans.