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poppasketti said:

I think there’s about 6 seconds from the original footage that’s usable (before it there’s a fade from black and after there’s titles on screen). The clip I posted is 5 seconds. So I may be able to make an alt where I add the 6th second, and have the ties come in 2 seconds later, so you have 2 seconds clean and 4 seconds of ties. Would that work?

Your version looks really good. The framing and colour seems much better.

Anything would be great. It is right on the nose as it stands now so a few seconds would make all the difference.

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Leia does distract him. She’s not the one who redeems him, it’s Rey. Kylo starts second guessing his dark path after Rey “kills” him and then revives him. The “hallucination” of Han is a personification of Ben’s internal struggle. He’s reliving a memory of his darkest moment and realizing it could’ve gone differently.

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specialk2121 said:

Leia does distract him. She’s not the one who redeems him, it’s Rey. Kylo starts second guessing his dark path after Rey “kills” him and then revives him. The “hallucination” of Han is a personification of Ben’s internal struggle. He’s reliving a memory of his darkest moment and realizing it could’ve gone differently.

I’ve cut Leia and given Han full retribution. It’s such an awesome payoff and flows much better without Leia at this point.

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specialk2121 said:

Leia does distract him. She’s not the one who redeems him, it’s Rey. Kylo starts second guessing his dark path after Rey “kills” him and then revives him. The “hallucination” of Han is a personification of Ben’s internal struggle. He’s reliving a memory of his darkest moment and realizing it could’ve gone differently.

I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think that’s enough. Kylo isn’t good again all the sudden just because someone he just tried to kill just seconds earlier decides to save him. Leia’s sacrifice proves the great lengths she and Han were willing to go to in order to bring their son back to the light. Rey can’t redeem Kylo, he needs to decide that for himself, and I think Leia and the Han convo actually is more effective in helping to move that along better. Rey just seals the deal by only wanting to take Ben’s hand, not Kylo’s. Again, just my opinion, no disrespect meant. Anyway, I’ve made a few tweaks since the earlier clip, so a new one is coming up shortly.

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Brilliant stuff everybody!!!

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jarbear said:

Also the topic of moving the Han scene with Kylo is interesting and I dod recall this topic some time back. I would need to sit on it and think, since I like it help bolster the idea of “Leia used all she could to project Han’s memory and not just saying “ben” and then die.” That aspect I like and all. But visually it doesn’t jive for me since Ben/Kylo is scarless. Unless someone “put back” his scar to rearrange it … it doesn’t work. A person can rationalize why he doesn’t have the scar for Reason A or Reason B during that sequence … but a person watching it would catch that.

It’s Reason A…it’s in Kylo’s mind/a vision, so I don’t think it’s a deal-breaker. 😃 In all seriousness, I’m not against someone restoring it if Hal wants to go that route, just seems like a lot of unnecessary work.

Anyway, as I mentioned, I’ve made a few more tweaks since that earlier clip. Now, Leia also says ‘come home’ before Han does, which is wedged in between her ‘Ben…’ and Han’s ‘Hey kid’. I also removed Han’s mention of ‘Kylo Ren is dead…’ since that probably works better if Rey’s already stabbed him. I toyed with a reverb too…may be unnecessary since Kylo actually talks about this convo being a memory but left it in this latest version for effect so you could hear what it sounds like – I think it works either way. Alright, here’s the extended clip, now leading into Kylo throwing the saber (to give you a full sense of the new sequence). Again, just some visuals for consideration:

https://vimeo.com/419416620
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DarthYcey said:

jarbear said:

Leia says come home

https://vimeo.com/419416620
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I looked everywhere for Leia to say that but couldn’t find it. It still sounds a cut off but the over all sound effect is really nice.

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I’m probably not going to move the Han scene up like that because it doesn’t seem to me that the following scene bears the change believably. 😕
I wish it worked better.

I’ll have to think and stuff about how to structure the post-duel scenes. I guess Kijimi’s destruction really can be pretty much snipped with few lateral effects. This makes it feel more like the First Order and Final Order were meant to come together in the end, rather than “Muwhahaha, that was just a false start and HERE is the REAL doomsday machine!”

Here’s the current state of the crawl. The first sentence is temporary and needs something more inspired. And the second paragraph needs another clause. Not sure if “rumored” could be replaced with something like “stashed.”

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
The flame of rebellion burns. To suffocate a growing uprising, the tyrannical First Order has silenced communication between neighboring systems.

General Leia Organa has dispatched her brave agents across the stars to unite the disparate rebelling worlds in the name of Resistance.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a rumored Imperial fleet that would allow him to destroy any threat to his power…

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Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a rumored Imperial fleet that would allow him to destroy any threat to his power…

Hmmm…not sure about this. Wouldn’t it be better to mention a hidden clue to an unknown Sith Planet aka Exogel instead of an Imperial Fleet. As Kylo did not know about the hidden fleet until he gets to the planet. The Wayfinders gives direction to a
hidden a Sith planet that is not on any known maps.

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As for the crawl idea, I think I am personally not sold on the idea of Kylo looking for a rumored imperial fleet. The reason is we know what is goal is, looking for a Sith Wayfinder to lead him … to something related to the Sith. The Wayfinder he is looking for is his grandfather’s, Darth Vader, who himself said from the very first Star Wars movie “Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” It’s all about the Force.

If the wording is more on the lines of (Not exact since writing is not my speciality) “Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing dark whispers hinting a power to destroy any threat to his empire…”

Anyway, just my two cents. Plus its a nod back to Revenge of the Sith with Anakin’s foolish thought when chatting with Obi-Wan at the end about “His Empire” as well as to Padme thinking he is in control … when he really isn’t.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Brilliant idea, I had to sign up to post this suggestion:

Tinting the scene to imply that the Han memory is not taking place in real time is a great idea. How about applying a slow-motion time freeze just before cutting to Han. It could help visually imply that Leia is projecting Han in a similar fashion to the way Luke projected himself and subsequently died. Any special effects wizards able to freeze the backgrounds when Han is talking to Ben? Then when the scene is over, you can accelerate time back to normal and proceed to have Kylo be stabbed by Rey.

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Hal 9000 said:

nl0428’s restructure of the post-Leia death section of the movie allows for removing the destruction of Kijimi, along with the sole pre-FO-personnel-getting-involved-as-lead-by-Pryde interior glimpse of one of the Final Order destroyers.

The destroyers will all still have those big guns mounted, but nothing in the movie would need to spell out “THESE ARE MINI DEATH STARS” or actually destroy yet another planet.

Any thoughts about this? In this order, it does make it look like Ben was standing around for a while, and we lose the direct transition from the crew reacting to Leia’s death to him dealing with it. I guess a restructure wouldn’t even technically be needed to remove Kijimi. Just have Palpatine say “come to me on Exegol, General Pryde,” and go to Poe praying to Leia. (That’s not sarcastic, he’s interceding to her for help even if it’s symbolic; we all do it.)

I like this re-edit of all the Leia post-death stuff, but personally I think the Han convo is in the wrong spot. It should occur before Rey stabs Kylo. Here’s my edit…

https://vimeo.com/419340064
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And here’s my reasoning…

I think there’s more emotion this new way because Kylo’s already had the convo with Han, then Rey stabs him…but you can tell Rey senses the internal struggle of what just happened to him. He’s mournful after he senses Leia’s death, and now he’s also wavering on a turn from the dark side…makes it much more believable that she’d heal him.

Personally, none of the original arrangement makes any sense. Leia is already gone…then Han shows up later…so it’s not Leia doing the Han force projection when she originally distracted Kylo…at that point, it’s entirely Kylo “seeing things”…the problem is that you don’t know what his struggle is as he’s standing on the cliff edge…he tries to kill Rey, then his mom basically distracts him into dropping his saber and nearly gets him killed. It’s very sloppy, in my opinion.

Having that convo in this new spot gives Kylo a reason to drop the saber…his guard is down and he’s showing some regret in reliving the memory in that moment…plus, why would he look back like that for so long in surprise if nobody was there? Did he think Leia was gonna be back there and jump out from behind a rock? He looks behind himself for a long time…only thing that makes sense is that Han is already there and Leia is force projecting the memory…it’s not realistic in the moment that Kylo would change from being a raging lunatic on the verge of killing Rey just because he heard an echo of his mom’s voice.

Essentially, there are two things that are a major improvement about this order…1) it makes much more sense for the viewer that Leia is the one actually projecting Han’s memory a la luke did in TLJ…2) its very symbolic – the saber drop = the death of Kylo Ren…the arm drop = the death of Leia…this arrangement shows how the events are linked, as it should be.

As for what comes next, insert this new scene as in the clip, then have things progress as normal. Then, you can have Kylo toss his saber after Chewie is inconsolable, or stretch that out to later where nl0428 has it – personally I think it works well after Chewie. I have that part edited too, but not outputted to watch. Basically though, just mirror the saber shot from the convo from earlier since he’s looking to the right now into the ocean. Then, cut to him tossing the saber. I even re-scored this a tad using the Torn Apart music from TFA with the same musical timing. He’s faced with the same choice, except now he throws away the saber and the Kylo Ren mantle. He’s now Ben…

P.S.- It’s a Force memory convo, so it’s not real anyway. Kylo with the face scar already gone doesn’t matter. It’s what he’s projecting himself as in that moment, you could say.

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Thanks to Movies Remastered, I got a Blu-Ray version of Vader’s Castle, and here is my first draft for color correction. I personally think it’s a little too pink, but I’ll let y’all decide. If it’s good then I’ll throw it into the drive, but if it needs another pass I can get back into DaVinci and take another crack at it.

https://vimeo.com/419430591
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Edit: I left the clip longer so that an editor can cut the parts they don’t like, the bulge at the beginning is the ship and that’s the only super noticeable part of where the ship used to be.

Clips - for Editors folder -https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mfEISVdMldOKuSNjcjYO2QSggvqI_7-Y

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Hal 9000 said:

Episode IX
THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
The flame of rebellion burns. To suffocate a growing uprising, the tyrannical First Order has silenced communication between neighboring systems.

General Leia Organa has dispatched her brave agents across the stars to unite the disparate rebelling worlds in the name of Resistance.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a rumored Imperial fleet that would allow him to destroy any threat to his power…

I think this is a really good amalgamation of all the crawls we have seen so far… I think the only that is missing really is something about Rey. She is the main character so I feel like she should get something in the opening crawl.

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kewlfish said:

Thanks to Movies Remastered, I got a Blu-Ray version of Vader’s Castle,

https://vimeo.com/419430591
password - Ascendant

Edit: I left the clip longer so that an editor can cut the parts they don’t like, the bulge at the beginning is the ship and that’s the only super noticeable part of where the ship used to be.

I’ve just shut my computers down but it looks amazing on my phone. I’m just off to bed but I’ll check it in the morning.

Forgot to ask if you could leave more on the front clip but you did it anyway so it’s hopefully perfect.

Thanks for a fast turn around. You’re welcome.

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I agree, that’s real nice!

Here’s another stab at the crawl. The first line needs replacing…

A new hope has been kindled in the galaxy. To suffocate a growing uprising, the tyrannical First Order has silenced communication between neighboring systems.

As Rey, sole heir to the Jedi, continues her training, General Leia Organa has dispatched her brave agents across the stars to unite the disparate rebelling worlds in the name of Resistance.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a hidden power that would allow him to destroy any threat to his rule…

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Wow, just wow.

I get up and check my computer and what do I find… Over three new pages of incredible progress and work done on everyone’s part!

First of all, Poppasketti, brilliant job with all of those clips, as always!
Movies Remastered, you seem to have made a fine addition to these forums and I look forward to seeing more from you!
Kewlfish, your clips are looking awesome, I’m glad you managed to get your Blu-ray clip!

I’m sure Hal is very proud of you all and everyting going on in this thread!

Now to be more specific.
Poppasketti, those TIE fighters are looking incredible! Just need to be tweaked a little more to blend in with the enviroment a little more naturally.
Also, it is probably worth mentioning that those models are Imperial TIEs, not First Order. 😉

The mountain removal is perfect, sorry for holding you and Idir up while you wait for the finished soundmix. 😕
Also, I never even noticed those cars in the forest footage, I’m impressed with how well you removed them and am glad people seem to be mostly in favour of using that video!

I do however think that it might be a good idea to add those three TIEs into this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G6Ai7aBhIs
Go to 0:22


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Hal 9000 said:

Here’s the current state of the crawl. The first sentence is temporary and needs something more inspired. And the second paragraph needs another clause. Not sure if “rumored” could be replaced with something like “stashed.”

Maybe say “hidden imperial fleet” or “forgotten imperial fleet”

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The biggest issue with the Kylo v Rey, Leia death, and Han scenes for me are how widely open to interpretation they are.

When I first saw the film I wondered if Leia was meant to be distracting Kylo so Rey could stab him. Bit odd and doesn’t really pay off.

Just on this site people interpret it as Leia projecting good into Ben. Leia projecting Han to talk to Kylo. Leia reaching out to Kylo and then accidentally getting stabbed by Rey so Rey is directly responsible for killing Leia.

Now honestly, I don’t know which was intended or which could’ve been best, but that’s such a huge scope for interpretation that it kinda suggests the film doesn’t actually tell us anything here because we’re all seeing different things. Personally I’d rather have a scene which doubles down on one idea, whichever idea it is, and portrays it as clearly as possible.

At the moment we’re told by Maz that Leia knows what she has to do, but even after watching her do it none of us have a clue what it was or if it worked.

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Hal 9000 said:

A new hope has been kindled in the galaxy. To suffocate a growing uprising, the tyrannical First Order has silenced communication between neighboring systems.

As Rey, sole heir to the Jedi, continues her training, General Leia Organa has dispatched her brave agents across the stars to unite the disparate rebelling worlds in the name of Resistance.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing whispers of a hidden power that would allow him to destroy any threat to his rule…

How about this for the first section:

A newfound hope spreads! To suppress a growing uprising throughout
the galaxy, the tyrannical First Order has silenced communication
between neighboring systems.

The middle section looks fine.

And how about this for the last section:

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar in search
of his grandfather’s SITH WAYFINDER, certain that it will reveal the
secrets of his former master’s power. . . .

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Hal’s full of great ideas:

Hal 9000 said:

I guess Kijimi’s destruction really can be pretty much snipped with few lateral effects.

Hal 9000 said:

Hmmm… maybe not a bad or worst idea, but why not just paint out half the destroyers in the Final Order?

Both of these suggestions are things I’ve wanted to see done from the very beginning…
Thoughts anybody?

Also, pretty soon I’ll be posting an updated list of VFX and audio edits to reflect recent progress!


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If I may take a stab at the crawl…

A new hope emerges! After Luke Skywalker’s heroic sacrifice, the tyrannical FIRST ORDER has silenced communications between neighboring systems to silence the growing uprising.

REY, sole heir to the Jedi, continues her training under GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, who has dispatched her brave agents across the stars to unite the disparate rebelling worlds in the name of the Resistance.

Meanwhile, Supreme Leader KYLO REN has chased whispers of a hidden power to Fortress Vader on MUSTAFAR, seeking the means to eliminate any threat to his rule…

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Is the footage of Kylo placing Vader’s helmet in the pedestal at all usable?

After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.