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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 58

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@nl0428 Palpatine didn’t really want Rey to take over the Empire for him, he wanted her to kill him in order for his spirit to possess her body.

Yeah, how does that explain how Plutt ended up with Rey?

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Well Palpatine doesn’t pick up the goods himself of course. But he put a bounty on her (or whatever) and she was retrieved, her parents knowing the ultimate end.
So yes uncle Plutt was an intermediary.

heil Palpatine!

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RogueLeader said:

@nl0428 Palpatine didn’t really want Rey to take over the Empire for him, he wanted her to kill him in order for his spirit to possess her body.

Yeah, how does that explain how Plutt ended up with Rey?

In the official TROS retcon release Plutt was a person to hide Rey from Ochi through acrobatic shenanigans.

In my edit Plutt ends up as the obvious middleman slavetrader happy to take the bounty for Rey going to Palpatine, except Ochi never shows.

heil Palpatine!

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Chase Adams said:

I am still too stubborn to be convinced that Rey Palpatine can be removed.

Rey will literally have no arc if you remove it.

TBF, nobody has freaking arc in this film.

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krausfadr said:

idir_hh said:

krausfadr said:

That might be so, but for the audience it’s so convoluted that its better to keep it simple.

I’m fine with Palpatine telling Ren to kill the girl even though he may have other plans for her alive. I don’t lowbrow my edits.

EDIT: The better choice would be to get rid of the whole “make the sacrifice” shit at the end. But that’s easier said than done since it would remove the entire impact of Rey force passing the saber to Ren. Also while editing I did tinker with cutting off the word dead so Ren says “Do you know why the Emperor’s always wanted you?” And the results sucked. Someone might be able to get it to work but they would need to find a sentence spoken by masked Ren that he ends with the word “you” in just the right cadence.

Palpatine may be cheating on him with the sacrifice because he knows that Ben will go to her, and palpatine what he wants is their Force, to heal

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Ughh his movie is so bad.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Anakin Starkiller said:

TBF, nobody has freaking arc in this film.

Poe’s arc… from hothead flyboy to responsible general.
Finn’s arc… from victim of the empire and all alone, to force sensitive leader who teams up with other victims to topple it.
Rey’s arc… from someone who is lost, drawn to darkness, and doesn’t know her place or have a family to someone who chooses good, has a family, and presumably becomes the leader of a new Jedi Order.

If that’s not an arc… I don’t know what an arc is then.

Maybe it’s just not the arc you would have written.

heil Palpatine!

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Ed Slushie said:
“Your father threw you away like trash, as did his father… Emperor Palpatine.”

I love that, that phrase makes Rey spiral towards the darkside much more belivable and in line with TLJ.

So it would be

A) Palpatine failure of son/clone, which was abandoned because it didn’t have the force, was a piece of s**t, sold rey for drinking money to Unkar Plutt without knowing that she had the force like his father, Palpatine senses Rey power once she grows up or the dyad and wants her dead or to obtain the Kylo/Rey dyad power to fully recover.

B) Palpatine failure of son/clone, which was abandoned because it didn’t have the force, was a piece of s**t, sold rey and to Palpatine which had a force vision of her power or the dyad in the force and thought about using that power to fully recover, Unkar Plutt was going to take care of her until she was old enough to meet kylo and for the dyad to happen.

I prefer A, i think is much more simpler than B

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jonh said:

Palpatine may be cheating on him with the sacrifice because he knows that Ben will go to her, and palpatine what he wants is their Force, to heal

In which case the faneditor would need to remove Palpatine’s surprise when he is healed by their energy.

heil Palpatine!

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krausfadr said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

TBF, nobody has freaking arc in this film.

Poe’s arc… from hothead flyboy to responsible general.
Finn’s arc… from victim of the empire and all alone, to force sensitive leader who teams up with other victims to topple it.
Rey’s arc… from someone who is lost, drawn to darkness, and doesn’t know her place or have a family to someone who chooses good, has a family, and presumably becomes the leader of a new Jedi Order.

If that’s not an arc… I don’t know what an arc is then.

Maybe it’s just not the arc you would have written.

All of those arcs seem to have been addressed to my satisfaction in TFA and/or TLJ. At least one twice already.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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nl0428 said:

I’ve got two things to ask.

First, is there any way we can try to alter Palpatine’s motivation when Rey arrives on Exegol? Throughout the saga, he has always been interested in cheating death and immortality. Wanting Rey to kill him only so she can take over the new order and follow in his footsteps because she’s his granddaughter is way too out of character. Maybe alter the scene so that he is trying to make her give in to the Dark Side like he tried to do with Luke in Return of the Jedi.

Then it’s just a repeat of RotJ. What we should do is focus on the cheating death aspect. He wants Rey so he can take over her body. Could that be conveyed through existing dialog?

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krausfadr said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

TBF, nobody has freaking arc in this film.

Poe’s arc… from hothead flyboy to responsible general.
Finn’s arc… from victim of the empire and all alone, to force sensitive leader who teams up with other victims to topple it.
Rey’s arc… from someone who is lost, drawn to darkness, and doesn’t know her place or have a family to someone who chooses good, has a family, and presumably becomes the leader of a new Jedi Order.

If that’s not an arc… I don’t know what an arc is then.

Maybe it’s just not the arc you would have written.

Those are the arcs for the trilogy as a whole, though. How much of them actually happens in TRoS? Most of the development happens in the first two movies.

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Hal 9000 said:

krausfadr said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

TBF, nobody has freaking arc in this film.

Poe’s arc… from hothead flyboy to responsible general.
Finn’s arc… from victim of the empire and all alone, to force sensitive leader who teams up with other victims to topple it.
Rey’s arc… from someone who is lost, drawn to darkness, and doesn’t know her place or have a family to someone who chooses good, has a family, and presumably becomes the leader of a new Jedi Order.

If that’s not an arc… I don’t know what an arc is then.

Maybe it’s just not the arc you would have written.

All of those arcs seem to have been addressed to my satisfaction in TFA and/or TLJ. At least one twice already.

Exactly. JJ had no idea what to do with his own characters.

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I wouldn’t say that makes it bad. Palpatine has always had some pretty convoluted, seemingly counter-intuitive plans. The way I see it, he’s constantly setting it up so that the people he’s manipulating can choose any one of a dozen possible options and still end up giving Palps what he wants. In Return of the Jedi, he tells Luke to strike him down in anger, but just a few minutes later he tells Luke to kill Vader and take his father’s place. If the former happens, the Sith gets a new vessel, and if the latter happens, Darth Sidious gets a new, stronger apprentice. Palpatine wins either way - so at any given moment, he’s goading Luke towards whichever path is closer.

The same is presumably true for Kylo and Rey. Having one kill the other will push whoever survives towards the Dark Side, while also ensuring that the stronger of the two is the one who gets to become the host.

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Hal 9000 said:

Doesn’t he state that pretty directly?

The problem is that his intentions are not clear, so he wants kylo to kill her first, then he wants to take his body, then he discovers the dyad and uses it to recover… i don’t know if he had a plan with rey and kylo to begin with or if he was making in it on the go.

Exactly. JJ had no idea what to do with his own characters.

Is funny that Rian didn’t use the Knights of Ren on the throne scene because he didn’t want them to be wasted, but JJ didn’t knew what to do with them, so they were useless and were killed easier than Snoke guards.

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Hal 9000 said:

All of those arcs seem to have been addressed to my satisfaction in TFA and/or TLJ. At least one twice already.

I agree that the arcs could have been done differently and better. But the arcs are there in TROS.

Poe was just beginning to be a leader at the end of TLJ. He wasn’t fully arced. This completed in TROS.

Finn really knew nothing about the force at the end of TLJ, though TROS kind of screwed up his force/Jedi arc by doing nothing with this. If he could somehow make the cannons fire at the Star Destroyer using the force without Jannah plugging it in! Either that or kill him at the end.

Rey’s arc in TROS was facing her family issues head on. Rey Skywalker is the end of her arc.

This is very different than where we left these characters at the end of TLJ. It’s arcs, just maybe ones that do not satisfy some people. If that’s the really the case, probably stop trying to make this film into something it cannot be.

heil Palpatine!

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EddieDean, I liked The Last Jedi and all of its unexpected directions. I had no real problem with Holdo (other than that actress being slightly annoying). Though I understand why people would rather have had Akbar conduct the Holdo maneuver. Still, when Holdo split the Star Destroyer in half, I though it was awesome. Like Kylo Ren, I’m ok with letting the past die, so I have no hard-on for Ackbar or other talking crustaceans.

EDIT: Also the way the actor who played Ackbar was treated on set was pretty shitty. So while Rian did a good job, I prefer Poppasketti’s version taking away the iron joke and the other things that show how out of touch Rian was.

heil Palpatine!

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Ugh this film, so baaad.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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You know what. This abomination really put TLJ into perspective for me. I finally appreciate the story decisions Rian made in relation to Rey, Luke and Snoke. Rian opened JJ’s mystery box, discovered that it’s really just an empty shell, and made his own story. JJ went back to the old discarded box, and…the rest is history.

Some say that if JJ had helmed all 3 films the trilogy would have turned out better. In truth, we probably would have had to suffer through 2 rise of skywalkers instead of 1.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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idir_hh said:

You know what. This abomination really put TLJ into perspective for me. I finally appreciate the story decisions Rian made in relation to Rey, Luke and Snoke. Rian opened JJ’s mystery box, discovered that there’s really nothing there and made his own story. JJ went back to the old discarded box, and…also found nothing.

A shame that a lot of people just say " TROS its bad because TLJ!" without any thought