The speedup & pitch increase instantly kill all benefits of PAL for me.
There is an MKV someone made using the 720x576 PAL video from the PAL DVD9, but with the framerate flag reset to 23.976 and the Dolby 5.1 audio from the NTSC DVD9 paired with it. That’s the ideal version of ANH:R at the moment unless you need a disc/menus. It’s available on MySpleen if you have an account (note to all: don’t ask for invites, the site is closed and likely won’t ever reopen).
When converting from Pal to Ntsc i could see that. Do they film in 25 frames per sec in Europe?
Not movies. Theatrical movies are 24fps across the board. Until Blu-Ray, there was no way to watch a theatrical film (or a TV series/TV movie from an NTSC country) at its correct framerate on a PAL home video format. Some movies did pitch correct their releases, but the people still move 4% faster which has a subtly unnatural effect, at least to me.
But Blu-Ray/ATSC now allows for 24p in PAL countries, so 90% of Euro BR releases of films are at the correct framerate.
Shamefully, they did not allow for 25p, so that’s why most Euro TV material on Blu is 1080i, because the only way to avoid changing the framerate is to just run 25p as 50Hz interlaced. The Doctor Who S1-4 Blu-Rays are actually slowed down from 25fps to 24fps so they could make it 1080p (can’t remember if they pitch-corrected for the slowdown, I don’t own the Blu’s of those).
Cause filming at 25 frames a sec is different than converting from 23.what evs to 25, which would cause a speed up.
Of course, but we were discussing which release of a 24fps film to get, so the speed up is important to consider.
Hobbit was filmed at 60 frames per sec with the only effect being the reds were washed out and had to be artificially pumped up on set with overly vibrant reds and make up
No, The Hobbit was filmed at 48fps, and all home video releases just remove half the frames and run it at 24fps, which doesn’t result in any speedup or slowdown. I don’t know what they did for 50Hz PAL DVD releases, but I’d assume they just sped up the 24fps master to 25fps.