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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 54

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fidodido said:
To me, the main theme of the whole ST is Balance. . . . [T]he lone justification for them (at least in my grown-up-with-the-prequels-eyes) might be that the “balance” of the force (between light and dark, good and evil, etc.) was not restored when Luke (a jedi) “killed” Palpatine (a sith), because that way the balance would be outweighed by the jedi again.

Respectfully, I never bought Lucas’s notion of “balance.” Like, what – there should be a “balance” between good and evil??? Why wouldn’t we want to see as much good as possible in the universe???

Lucas’s overriding achievement in this franchise was the Great Original Idea, best captured in A New Hope, and echoed to a lesser extent in TESB and ROTJ. The Force was left very vague, and thus open to a variety of interpretations.

Though TESB is a fantastic instalment as far as storytelling and characterization go, I felt Lucas went overboard by having Yoda wax religious about the mystical nature of the Force. At that point the concept shifted from open-to-interpretation – to basically a repackaging of pantheism.

It was (to me) downhill from there. The notions of “balance” and “the will of the Force” (only a person can have a will) crept into the prequels (especially TPM) and were echoed in the sequels.

Cumulatively, Lucas’s Force philosophy is an incoherent mess, and I’ve studiously avoided all such dialogue in my reedits. I’ve tried to preserve the simple idea conveyed originally by Obi-Wan: “The Force is an energy field created by all living things. . . .”

Just a point of view. ☺

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Exactly, it’s a point of view. I think it is simple enough to accept what anyone says about the Force the same way people talk about their faith. People are expressing their views on the Force, but that doesn’t mean it is absolute truth.

But I will say that I think it is a misinterpretation to think balance refers to a balance between good and evil.

This is just my personal opinion, but if this is something that interests you, I would recommend reading up on Taoist philosophy and the concept of Yin and Yang. I feel like the Tao and the Force share a lot of similarities, and it might shed some light on what “the will of the Force” means, and how a balance between the dark side and the light doesn’t equate to a balance between good and evil. Again, not saying this interpretation is fact, but it’s the way I’ve chosen to interpret it, because it has given me an understanding of the Force that I think bears some relevance on real life philosophies.

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Balance could refer to Yung’s concept of integrating the shadow, being in control of your dark side instead of vice-versa, basically using it for good.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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I think there is truth to that too! Especially considering Carl Jung heavily influenced Joseph Campbell, who some consider to be “the grandfather” of Star Wars.

There is actually a bit of intersection between Jungian psychology and Taoist philosophy, when it comes to ideas of self-actualization.

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In that vein it should also be noted that Star Wars has a lot to say about personal choice vs destiny, the ultimate evil character The Emperor is the one to proclaim “everything is as I have forseen” while Yoda is one to say “always in motion is the future” showing their differences in predestination. Anakin is given a choice and is specifically told he must choose and chooses the dark side (out of fear), Luke also makes a choice to reject that path. It’s there the morals about agency are very intentional, if somewhat muddled.

“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” - DV

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I hadn’t thought about it that way, but that kind of ties in to why I think they chose to replace the Rey Nobody twist with Rey Palpatine: Star Wars movies historically can’t think of much to do with major characters unless they have supposedly predestined paths.
Anakin was destined to destroy the sith? He becomes one!
Luke was foreseen to become a sith? He destroys them!
Rey has no major blood relations or prophesied fate? Uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh… nvm yes she does.

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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Haha, that is a good way to summarize it!

It definitely makes me think Rey’s story in IX should’ve focused on her wrestling with the varying expectations people have for her. Leia and the Resistance expect her to be the heir to the Jedi legacy, Palpatine wants her to become the next Sith and Empress of the Empire, and Kylo Ren wants her to join him and start a brand new order. In the end, Rey makes her own path.

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Just need to fit in some gungans somewhere to complete the masterpiece!

“Wesa nono how, but someehow, Papa Palpatine isa back. Dissen berry berry bad!”

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Is there some VFX wiz who could do me a big favor and use some magic to extend the shot of the Falcon leaving Ajan Kloss? I.e. make it so that the wipe doesn’t interrupt it leaving the frame.

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I’ll cook that up real quick for ya

how much longer do you need it?

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snooker said:

I’ll cook that up real quick for ya

You ma’am, are the best.

how much longer do you need it?

Somewhere abouts 14-16 frames on from when the wipe starts. So probably on the longer side of that to be safe would be nice!

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Clavis said:

idir_hh said:

It’s a very ambitious endeavour, and if executed well it could be the perfect ending.
Good luck man!

Thank you! I will start working on it when I get my hands on the 4K Blu-Ray which should arrive on the 20th.

Your ending is definitely the one I wish we had gotten. It’s also the one Pablo Hidalgo said he would have wanted TROS to end with, Ben exiling himself on Ahch-To.

For the ending scene, do you plan on keeping the Force theme? I remember there were rumors that the final scene would feature Ben and Rey and their themes would play together. Since the Force theme already has been used so heavily in final shots of the saga, playing Samuel Kin’s Reylo Love Theme would be a great way to end the saga on an optimistic note.

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RogueLeader said:
The first sequence would pan down like ANH to a lush green world, antithetical to Tatooine. The Falcon flies overhead. We cut to the surface and see Chewbacca looking at a hut in the trees as we hear Wookiee roars in the distance. This is Kashyyyk, and Chewie has finally come home.

This vid might help your cause: “KASHYYYK - A Star Wars Battlefront 2 Cinematic” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea-VKMqhdVE (1 min. 25 sec). You could also use footage from Avatar. Include a shot or two of the Falcon, then maybe the echoing sound of Chewie’s roar emanating from the jungle - possibly with some translation added???

Here are a couple great clips of the Falcon approaching what could be Kashyyyk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJDR9z-cOl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ5dEGFNhlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9d96msKTG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxlugVKl5i8 (Would need some enhancement/cleaning up)

Maybe this one, just before the ship crashes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQQm4-myxA
It could be slowed down to indicate a controlled landing.

Or you could just use a scene from the Christmas Special. <LOL>

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You have been going back through and rereading the thread recently, haven’t you? 😂

Thanks for sharing! The battlefront stuff was something I was looking at using for this idea at the time. I still think it would be a nice way to end Chewie’s story, but I think it would take a lot of work to make it seamless. I’ve kind of moved on from this idea now.

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Ed Slushie said:

I like the execution of Ben surviving in this version, but what would happen next?

Different editor here, but the two options could be

-End the movie almost as soon as the kiss happens

-Edit it so kylo is on Tatoonie with Rey as she buries the lightsabers, using footage of him from the desert earlier.

I chose the former for my try-out edits

https://vimeo.com/405878913

password: fanedit

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Cameron Samurai said:

Ed Slushie said:

I like the execution of Ben surviving in this version, but what would happen next?

Different editor here, but the two options could be

-End the movie almost as soon as the kiss happens

-Edit it so kylo is on Tatoonie with Rey as she buries the lightsabers, using footage of him from the desert earlier.

I chose the former for my try-out edits

https://vimeo.com/405878913

password: fanedit

That worked surprisingly well, you could save the scenes with Ben and Rey till after the celebration, making it the final scene.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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idir_hh said:

Cameron Samurai said:

Ed Slushie said:

I like the execution of Ben surviving in this version, but what would happen next?

Different editor here, but the two options could be

-End the movie almost as soon as the kiss happens

-Edit it so kylo is on Tatoonie with Rey as she buries the lightsabers, using footage of him from the desert earlier.

I chose the former for my try-out edits

https://vimeo.com/405878913

password: fanedit

That worked surprisingly well, you could save the scenes with Ben and Rey till after the celebration, making it the the final scene.

Thanks, and yeah, as nice as it is to close on the falcon, it’s Rey and Kylo’s story and they should be highlighted, feels kinds of random to have Poe be the last character you see.

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You could have the celebration go like in the film, destroyers being downed etc, when finn and Poe are searching for Rey you could then cut to the shot of Ben’s hand rising up the cliff and saving Rey.
The rise of skywalker.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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idir_hh said:

You could have the celebration go like in the film, destroyers being downed etc, when finn and Poe are searching for Rey you could then cut to the shot of Ben’s hand rising up the cliff and saving Rey.
The rise of skywalker.

I’ll try out your suggestions, I’ve had a lot of fun today experimenting with different takes on scenes.

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I really like the idea of delaying the return of Ben and then ending the movie with/near that scene. But you irised the wrong way 😉 (the final shot is supposed to disappear as a small circle shrinking into the middle of the screen). Unless, of course, it was stylistically designed to be that way.

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Clavis said:

Ed Slushie said:

I like the execution of Ben surviving in this version, but what would happen next?

The movie carries on as it did. After the main trio hugs at the celebration, instead of cutting to Tatooine, it cuts to Red Five flying towards the Ahch-To island. Rey walks up the Jedi Steps and into a hut. There she builds her new lightsaber and ignites it. She walks to the same place where she found Luke in TFA. Rey sees Ben watching the Binary Sunset. The ghosts of Luke, Leia, and Anakin watch as Rey and Ben stand together. THE END.

I like this version, but I just had another (probably slightly easier) idea: since the trilogy is filled with instances of Rey and Ben looking at each other across impossibly long distances, what if you take the normal ending with Rey on Tatooine, and add a few composite shots of Ben looking off the cliff from TFA to make it seem like they’re looking at each other?

You’ve got to ask yourself one question: “Am I making Carrie Fisher’s ghost proud?”
Well, are ya, punk?

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Apparently Pablo Hidalgo suggested an ending where Ben goes to exile on Ahch-To, so that would be a cool option too.
You could have Ben watching the sunsets like Luke did at the end of TLJ, so Rey and Ben are looking at sunrise/sunsets and each other from across the galaxy.

I think it could be a little challenging to find footage of Ben that would fit that location though.

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I have an idea for a more saga-conclusive ending. I think the Jedi from throughout the saga should return and stand with Rey to beat Palpatine. I think it could work like this:

After Palpatine says, “I will kill you” (or whatever) insert Luke’s “No” from TLJ, and then Luke in force ghost forms arrives standing beside Rey. This would be accomplished by masking a shot of him from a prior film, and then coloring it blue. It should be video, so it looks realistic, but possibly intentionally blurred so the mouths don’t have to match up to the dialogue. He then says, “A thousand generations of Jedi live in you.”

Yoda then arrives, with the force theme blasting. Next is Leia. Then Qui-Gon. Then Obi-Wan, possibly followed by an “hello there” if it isn’t too bathos. Then Mace Windu.

Maybe move the shot of Ben climbing back up here, if possible, so he’s included too. Finally, Anakin Skywalker arrives in force ghost form. Luke says, "No one’s ever really gone. Anakin says, “Master” (from throughout the PT) in a mocking tone to Palpatine, Palpatine responds with “no, no, no” (right before force lightning in ROTS).

And only THEN does Rey bring the second saber and finish off Palpatine, with the help of all the Jedi wronged by this evil Sith.

Next, for Ben’s sacrifice. I think the Jedi Force Ghosts should “save” Ben by transferring their remaining life forces. This would be done by showing the individual Jedi Ghosts disappearing right after Ben’s supposed death, and then reversing the shot so Ben comes back to life. You can then show Ben either on Acho-To or with Rey, with a reasonable explanation as to how they were able to both survive.

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