yotsuya said:
You lose some of the mystery if you explain too much. When you add in the midiclorians to the force it diminished the force. Add in the Whills as small microscopic beings and that further degrades. Portray them as some sort of spirit or ethereal being can have them act the same without ruining things. George got the magic when he did the OT. He seems to have forgotten in the PT, but what he approved from Filoni put it back again.
I understand what you’re saying. At the same time I can’t understand why keeping the Force a mystery is interesting. If it remains a mystery and never explained, then there never is a journey of understanding. This becomes a video game where you just have powers for some reason. He’s just expanding the lore, and honestly if you want the Force to remain a mystery, you can stick to the Originals. Although the Originals explain the Force very clearly: “It’s an energy field created by all Living Things”. What’s mysterious about that? It’s an energy field, not a superpower.
Adding Midi-Chlorians to the lore does not diminish the Force, particularly because the Midi-Chlorians are not a part of the Force. They explain how we can use the Force. We have microscopic beings inside our cells that communicate with the Whills, whom control the Force. Nothing here is contradictory. The Force is still this “mystical” energy field. I’m sorry you don’t see it that way, but I started this thread so we could talk about ways to implement George’s ideas, not criticize them.
yotsuya said:
And the way I see it, the force is neutral. It is neither good nor bad. It has a dark side and a light side, but neither one is evil. How you use them can be and letting the force consume you is. So it is not the force itself that corrupts, but a person’s own desires. They get drunk on the power of the dark side and let out their worst. The Jedi failing is in shunning the dark side. That is what created the imbalance in my opinion. Had they maintained the balance, the Sith could never have grown so powerful. It is what GL wrote in the PT. It is all there. Filoni, Abrams, and Johnson have only confirmed that. I got this from GL himself and how he wrote the films.
Those are interesting theories, but we’re here to talk about the way George sees the Force, not the way we see it. Our opinions aren’t what’s important here. And please stop bringing up Abrams and Johnson as they never received approval or guidance from Lucas. They’re the ones who threw his stories out because they think they understand Star Wars better than he does. “George loves his Midi-Chlorians”…the gall. Filoni btw, expands on the Force in his own show. We learn in the Clone Wars where Midi-Chlorians came from, and that there are 2 types of Force; Cosmic and Living. At least he respects George’s vision.
yotsuya said:
And yet there is that bit that is in several of the films where the Jedi admit they are having problems with the force.
Because the Dark Side was clouding their judgement. Yoda says that a lot in Episodes II and III.
yotsuya said:
So Rey is NOT a Jedi trained in the Old Republic traditions, but has the original Jedi text… from the age when they were balanced. Luke noted she was not afraid of the dark side. To her, it is all just the force. Revelation of her origins tests that balance, but she regains it.
The fact that Rey is not trained in the Old Republic traditions is irrelevant because Rey is not trained as a Jedi at all. She is a poor excuse for a more interesting character named Kira, the granddaughter of Darth Vader.
yotsuya said:
It isn’t a matter of which side of the force you use, it is all in how you use it and why. The user must be balanced.
“Learn to know the power of the Dark Side of the Force, the power to save Padmé.” The Force cannot be a matter in how you simply use it. If that was the case, than Anakin would have just learned how to save Padmé without turning to the Dark Side. He was doing it for a good reason after all. “The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.” You can only use certain powers through the Dark Side. So it does matter which side of the Force you are a part of. It mattered to Anakin.
yotsuya said:
I don’t see the force itself as good or bad. It’s dark side is not inherently bad, just susceptible to bad uses. It is the users and the orders that are good or bad.
This is really good. This is what the Whills are. This is what the audience, and Luke will learn about the Force.
yotsuya said:
The Sith are the embodiment of evil. Destroying them will not automatically bring balance to the force, but it will end their line of evil. Balance can return when the force is used in balance. What I take Lucas saying is not that the force itself (the underlying energy of the universe) has an evil aspect, but that the Sith have been using it for evil and destroying them brings balance (post order 66) by ending their abuse of the power. Luke tapped into the dark side and didn’t fall. He’s seen that balance first hand.
So with this we would suggest that the Whills might have aspects to them we would consider evil. Interesting.