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alexp120
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Info: The Force Awakens - Home Video Version; NOT Theatrical Cut - differences?
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29-Jan-2020, 9:35 PM

@yaboykevin01: Excellent job on the breakdown of the ‘Jedi Steps and Finale’ music cue.

yaboykevin01 said:

All right, I finished my breakdown of the end credits music. I’ve separated each track into sections and determined the running time of each section.

FYC “The Jedi Steps and Finale” (9:58)

  • The Jedi Steps [0:00 - 1:37] (1:37)
  • The Force Theme [1:38 - 2:11] (0:33)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:12 - 2:20] (0:08)
  • Rebel Fanfare [2:21 - 2:31] (0:10)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:32 - 2:57] (0:25)
  • Rey’s Theme [2:58 - 4:10] (1:12)
  • Kylo Ren’s Theme [4:11 - 4:55] (0:44)
  • Pursuit Theme [4:56 - 6:04] (1:08)
  • March of the Resistance [6:05 - 8:34] (2:29)
  • Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [8:35 - 9:14] (0:39)
  • Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [9:15 - 9:31] (0:16)
  • Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [9:32 - 9:39] (0:07)
  • Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [9:40 - 9:58] (0:16)

OST “The Jedi Steps and Finale” (8:52) (Source: Spotify)

  • The Jedi Steps [0:00 - 1:37] (1:37)
  • The Force Theme [1:38 - 2:11] (0:33)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:12 - 2:21] (0:09)
  • Rebel Fanfare [2:22 - 2:32] (0:10)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:33 - 2:57] (0:25)
  • Rey’s Theme [2:58 - 4:10] (1:12)
  • Kylo Ren’s Theme [4:11 - 4:55] (0:44)
  • Pursuit Theme [4:56 - 6:04] (1:08)
  • March of the Resistance [6:05 - 7:26] (1:21)
  • Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [7:27 - 8:05] (0:38)
  • Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [8:06 - 8:23] (0:17)
  • Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [8:24 - 8:31] (0:07)
  • Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [8:32 - 8:48] (0:16)

Blu-Ray/Digital (12:41 of music) (Source: Movies Anywhere. I can determine whether the digital version matches the Blu-Ray this weekend. I strongly suspect it does.)

  • The Jedi Steps [2:04:55 - 2:06:31] (1:36)
  • The Force Theme [2:06:32 - 2:07:05] (0:33)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:06 - 2:07:15] (0:09)
  • Rebel Fanfare [2:07:16 - 2:07:26) (0:10)
  • Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:27 - 2:07:51] (0:24)
  • Rey’s Theme [2:07:52 - 2:10:11] (2:19)
  • Scherzo for X-Wings [2:10:12 - 2:11:51] (1:39)
  • Kylo Ren’s Theme [2:11:52 - 2:12:35] (0:43)
  • Pursuit Theme [2:12:36 - 2:13:44] (1:08)
  • March of the Resistance [2:13:45 - 2:16:14) (2:29)
  • Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [2:16:15 - 2:16:54] (0:39)
  • Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [2:16:55 - 2:17:12] (0:17)
  • Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [2:17:13-2:17:19] (0:06)
  • Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [2:17:20 - 2:17:36] (0:16)
  • Bad Robot / Lucasfilm Logos [2:17:37 - 2:18:02] (0:25)

To summarize the differences:

  • Rey’s Theme is extended by about 1:07 on the digital/Blu-Ray compared to the FYC and OST.
  • The digital/Blu-Ray inserts Scherzo for X-Wings between Rey’s Theme and Kylo Ren’s Theme. Scherzo for X-Wings is absent on the FYC and OST.
  • March of the Resistance is shortened by about 1:08 on the OST compared with the FYC and digital/Blu-Ray.

Bottom line: if the FYC is actually what played over the theatrical version’s credits, then the Blu-Ray has to have been extended by ~2:43 - 2:46, lining up nicely with the reports of a three-minute credits extension. That’s a big “if,” though, so I need corroboration from someone who has access to a theatrical copy that includes the credits (if such a copy exists).

During one of the film’s screenings for the ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concert of SW:TFA…

…which I attended, the duration of the end credits was shorten by 3 minutes and 21 seconds. This was done by speeding-up the remaining half of the credits after the “A Bad Robot Production” card was displayed. Because of this, the music for that sequence was changed.

Using @yaboykevin’s format, here’s my breakdown of ‘Jedi Steps and Finale’ as heard in the ‘film-concert’ version, if one were to sync the concert audio to the Blu Ray cut.
The Jedi Steps [2:04:56 – 2:06:32] (1:36)
The Force Theme [2:06:32 – 2:07:06] (:34)
Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:06 – 2:07:17] (:11)
Rebel Fanfare [2:07:17 – 2:07:26] (:09)
Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:26 – 2:07:50] (:24)
Rey’s Theme [2:07:50 – 2:09:05] (1:15)
Kylo Ren’s Theme [2:09:05 – 2:09:50] (:45)
Pursuit Theme [2:09:50 – 2:10:55] (1:05)
March of the Resistance [2:10:55 – 2:13:23] (2:28)
Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [2:13:23 – 2:14:00] (:37)
Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [2:14:00 – 2:14:18] (:18)
Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [2:14:18 – 2:14:26] (:08)
Rebel Fanfare Ending from SW:ROTJ ([GOUT: 2:11:20 – 2:11:40] (:20)), but in a different key. [2:14:26 - 2:14:44] (:18)
This ending was taken from the piece, “Thorne Room and End Title” from Williams’ own concert-suite version of Star Wars (ANH).

Final Analyses:
Basically, the arrangement of the ‘Jedi Steps and Finale’ cue used in SW:TFA’s ‘film-with-live-orchestra’ concert version was the album version up until the final 19 seconds where it gets dumped and replaced by the Rebel Fanfare ending from SW:ROTJ in a different key. That means this film-concert arrangement used a truncated version of ‘Rey’s Theme’ and the removal of ‘Scherzo for X-Wings’ from the film-version of the end credits.

BTW, where I saw the concert, the ‘Bad Robot / Lucasfilm’ logos at the end of the film where not displayed.