Yeah I was thinking you could add something in Luke’s pep talk, I remember a lot of his dialogue was offscreen (weird considering they reshot it). You probably could add something in the voices scene. That actually reminds me, I had the thought awhile back that perhaps you could even add the voices of people like Maul and Dooku? They were wronged by Palpatine as well. You could potentially make the argument that while Palpatine = pure evil, Maul and Dooku were more complex and didn’t see the dark side that way.
This isn’t a bad idea. And since other Jedi that seemed to died normally seem to have “come back” from the netherworld like Qui-Gon did, I don’t think it is out of the question that former Sith could’ve been shown the light in the netherworld as well, although that might be confusing to the audience with no explanation. People might think the Jedi and Sith are arguing in her head like little angels and devils on her shoulder, if you’re not careful about their dialogue choices.
Some Force ghost line ideas -
Anakin: Love is essential to a Jedi’s life.
Yoda: Anger is a natural part of life.
Since the film has come out, I’ve been keeping a notepad of ideas of sort of “how I would have done it.” Silly, sure, but I’ve found it a healthy way to work through my feelings on the film.
Not silly. I started writing my own version of the film earlier this month, but when I go down that rabbit hole so far I try to bring it back to ideas that could be doable for a fan edit.
One of the ideas I had, is that you could have accomplished something interesting if Kylo spoken to the ghost of Anakin. But, what if it wasn’t just Anakin, it went back and forth between Anakin and Vader, like in the TFA concept art? And Anakin/Vader talks about how both the darkness and the light lives within him, just as it does in Kylo, and that ultimately the choice is his to make.
So what if we have something like this when Kylo touches Vader’s mask? Make it a scene by itself. Kylo touches the mask, then we cut back and forth to ethereal images of Anakin and Vader fading in and out of black. Hopefully between the two versions there’d be enough dialogue to work with. You could then follow this scene with Kylo repairing his mask, as if the choice he’s made is the dark side (for now).
In my mind, what would have made this work well is if the ghost makes it clear Snoke is the one he had been previously talking to, but now he’s actually talking to his grandfather. With TROS, obviously it’s tricky because of the “every voice inside your head” line. Maybe just cut that?
It’s very funny that you had this idea! I have mentioned before the idea of making the scene of Kylo touching the helmet a scene of its own, but last night I made a note that it could be a vision from a Force ghost. I had the thought that it could be Luke trying to show Ben the truth. Trevorrow’s script also had this idea of Luke’s ghost haunting Ben, which I liked since Luke in TLJ said “See you around, kid” but we never get a pay off to that in TROS. But in his version, it feels like Luke has given up on Ben, but I like the idea that Luke is trying to right his own wrongs by doing what he can to help him still.
My idea was that Kylo connects with the helmet to try and confirm what Palpatine told him. So we could see flashes that could hint to how Palpatine survived and manipulated Ben his whole life. Maybe it could start out more like a dark side vision from Palpatine, but then Luke/Anakin/Old Ben take(s) control and try to show Ben the truth. The content of the vision is still kind of nebulous in my head, though. But it could be a good opportunity to help show that Ben is in opposition with Palpatine, something I really want to do. I want to make Kylo seem more aware that Palpatine is up to something, and is trying to figure out how to go against his plans rather than follow them.