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Post #1321052

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yotsuya
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
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21-Jan-2020, 2:14 PM

Broom Kid said:

That last two paragraphs of mine that you just quoted are speaking directly to that, though. It’s a big part of Hamill’s performance, and why that performance is so good.

I think your analysis in your last few posts nails it.

Hux is quite content to let them run out of fuel and then kill them. He is savoring the moment.

Finn was defintely on a suicide mission and he might have damaged the weapon, but not likely. Remember in Independence Day he has weapons to fire. Finn has nothing. He is trying to run into a Locomotive with a Citroen. It isn’t going to do more than scratch it. The angles they show to make it clear how small the speeder is, the parts crumpling from the power, Poe’s earlier comment about how flimsy and decrepit the speeders are (when he puts his foot through the side). It is all story telling to indicate that Finn’s run is hopeless so we are relieved when Rose stops him.

Poe acted reckless when he destroyed the Dreadnaught. That it later turned out to be the right thing to do is immaterial. They had no way of knowing that they would be tracked through lightspeed. It was the wrong thing to do from a leadership perspective and that is what Poe’s journey in TLJ is all about. You have to follow the plot in the moment and not let yourself have 20/20 hindsight interfere in what came before. You can’t do that in life and you can’t do that in fiction.

I’m not sure I totally agree about Luke, but it does make sense. But what is clear is that where Luke is at the beginning is a dark place and you really can’t take any of what he says as being indicative of the themes of the film (my biggest complaint about some opinions of the movie). Luke is suffering from his failure and mourning the dead (and Ben) and hiding from Leia and Han. What he says about the Jedi from the PT I agree with (and I feel the PT makes that very clear). But when he says the Jedi have to end, he is really saying the old Republic Jedi, not the idea of the Jedi or where they came from. He does not want to be responsible for another student falling to the dark side or being killed. When Yoda destroys the tree and forces him to face his failure, he is able to clear away all the instability and regain his own balance. Then he is able to face Kylo in the most iconic Jedi saber duel ever. He gives hope and becomes legend.

A plot hole is something that doesn’t make sense in the moment. That the film doesn’t address in ANY way. Star Wars is filled with coincidences and perfect setups because it is myth. It takes shortcuts with the plot to move the story along and keep it flowing. There are things we don’t know because it isn’t important to the moment. That has been the case since 1977. It is how Lucas created the series. He wanted iconic characters in a mythic serial. He made the characters relateable and took them on familiar journeys. Anakin faces fear, failure, and anger. Luke faces his lack of faith and his yearning for adventure. Rey faces her abandonment and her need to belong. The other characters have their own journeys. Sometimes not even shown on screen (Lando going from a pirate and smuggler to running Bespin). I think the ST has done this as well and I think RJ did the most heavy lifting at it. Rey, Finn, and Poe have the most growth in TLJ.