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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released) — Page 29

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The Palpatine Contact scene is really well done (all those versions are), but I feel mixed about incorporating it into the edit.

  1. If it’s going to be incorporated into the project, it needs to be perceptually perfect. It still feels obvious to me that it’s a manipulated still image, when it shows the waveform of Palpatine’s voice on the screen. Improving this beyond how it already is would involve creating an entirely new CGI shot, which might be interesting as its own project (I would totally be willing to experiment with that since I’ve worked with computer animation, but I already have enough projects on my plate).
  2. Some have complained that the Palpatine reveal in TROS would have been better if it were kept a secret and not revealed until during the action of the film itself. This edit seems to almost do the opposite. But at the same time it’s also sorta neat to have a subtle and obscure hint at Palpatine’s existence.
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InitAbsolute said:

  1. Some have complained that the Palpatine reveal in TROS would have been better if it were kept a secret and not revealed until during the action of the film itself. This edit seems to almost do the opposite. But at the same time it’s also sorta neat to have a subtle and obscure hint at Palpatine’s existence.

Subtle hints are best like when people rewatched Fight Club and thought how did I miss that. But using Palpatine’s voice in TJL goes too far imo. My edit of TROS will not have any Palpatine reveals in the crawl or in the beginning of the movie either. Poe won’t even mention him in his intel briefing. In any case, Poppasketti’s releases are always excellent, but for me I’m fine with the current finished version of Rekindled as I want to handle TROS differently and open with Kylo destroying Corellia, rather than visting Palpatine right away in his strobe light Halloween house.

heil Palpatine!

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I don’t think having a subtle tease of a voice that may or may not be Palpatine saying “Find me” at the end of TLJ precludes pushing the reveal of Palpatine himself in TROS back a little bit, personally. If the movie had came out with that exact tease, people would have been arguing about it for 2 years with tons of people being in the “There’s no way it’s Palpatine” camp.

In general, I think subtly teasing Palpatine through both TFA and TLJ helps to make his sudden appearance in TROS feel less jarring, and while it is important to not overdo it in TFA/TLJ, I think Poppa has struck the perfect balance here.

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^^^ I agree with Ash on this.

Also, Wow with the latest clip! I like it! It is not revealing and even during the course of this movie, everyone is so curious “Who is she!?” It makes it seems like we are finally getting something … but nothing. I think the balance is done well on this, I don’t know what you can do to perfect it.

As for the radio thing, I still agree keep it short and sweet with the find me. There can still be some clean up to help perfect it since the only “anchor” that’s holding it from being perfect is the reuse of scenes. I don’t know if there is a way to make it perfect, but getting it as close as possible is the key.

Poppa you are our only hope!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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DZ-330 said:

Might not be possible, but would there be a way to make force ghost Yoda actually look like a force ghost?

While it may not look exactly like it did in the OT, it’s similar enough to me and is consistent with Luke in the TROS. It honestly never bothered me.

IA, thanks for the feedback, I take your points! When I revisit the scene, I may take a look at playing with the light rays or adding slight camera movement so it doesn’t seem so static (no pun intended). As for the general idea of scene, I think/hope it’s more of a tease than a full reveal, as Ash described. If we were going back in time, I would say the goal would be to plant the idea of something new, like Yoda in ESB (“there is another”), giving people something to talk about and anticipate for IX. This also should work with any edit of TROS, whether it’s with the theatrical crawl or saving the big reveal for Exegol.

jarbear (and everyone), I appreciate the encouragement! I haven’t looked at the Palpatine contact in the last day, but right now I’m leaning towards 4E, which only has one repeated shot (that’s cropped and retimed).

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And now for something completely different! Here’s a first pass of Snoke’s sith eyes at his death, and blue essence/smoke as he’s split in half (in background out of focus).

Snoke Sith Death (V1)
pw: fanedit

Edit: to give a little more detail here, looking at smpearce1981’s comment below, there’s a lot of flexibility here given how well I feel the eye tracking went. I’m probably showing more than is necessary in this first pass, and can dial anything back. My thought with starting strong with the red/yellow eyes was that as Snoke is stabbed, he’s stunned and briefly lets the mask over his true identity slip, which is why it flares on stronger. But I think a lighter touch here and subtlety is always a good direction to go, and I agree if Snoke is a Palpatine puppet, he surprise may just be an act.

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Ok, so I’m not buying the first shot of the eyes…the change of colour within the shot…in such a close up it’s too on the nose and even somewhat distracting.

The second shot (the mid-shot) where eyes are already yellow is much more subtle and personally i like how if you don’t telegraph the change of colour in the first shot (the closeup)it’s almost ‘blink and you’ll miss it’ and thats where the gold is. Hinting/foreshadowing rather than spelling it all out??

However, I love the blue aura departing the body!!

So, now that you have made these ideas into a real tangible thing, can I dare to throw in some thoughts on whether the sith eyes are even necessary? (from a story perspective)

If we are approaching this as Snoke being Palpatines puppet…perhaps even a surrogate body to inhabit…i like to think that even though Snoke looks shocked at being run through…it’s just an act.

Palpatine is the puppet master ala ‘ Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design’

He knew EXACTLY what was coming and so any shock/suprise/pain he showed was only for show and therefore I don’t think he’d lose sight of himself or his physical control of Snoke to allow his eyes to show through?

I can totally see the logic of seeing the palpatine essence evacuate Snokes corpse…but the eyes? Im not so sure they are even necessary

However, as per my observations above…the yellow eyes in the mid shot are a lot better and i feel the subtlety here is a much more stylish way of showing that there is definitely something ‘Sithy’ about Snoke 😃

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Huh thats interesting. Honestly take this as you will but first viewing didnt even see the blue smoke.

I do have an idea…I am not sure if its possible, and I think anyone would have to be God-tier level of editor but would you consider editing the infamous guards V Kylo and Rey fight scene? somehow cut some of the background guards waiting for Daisy and Adam to get into place to block.

Also if anybody doesnt think its a problem I would encourage you to watch this video from Corridor Digital about stuntmen reacting to the scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL83p4GxAvw

Like I said it may be impossible but its just a thought to correct and improve as many things about this film as possible, and I cant think of a better place to share ideas of just that, then here with all of you.

This is the way.

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I think the eyes need to look more “Sith” ala Maul with red and bright yellow around the pupil.

I like the blink and you’ll miss it approach to the spirit leaving Snoke, what do you think of making it ascend all the way up the frame?

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Poppa! I love it! That blue smoke is- chef’s kiss.

Providing feedback for the hell of it. I would like to actually see Snoke’s normal eyes transition into the Sith eyes more. Right now it feels too quick to notice, so maybe that whole transition could play out just a tad longer?

I think the blue smoke is already great as-is, but I agree with idir that it might be cool to see it float all the way up out of frame. Right now it just dissipates, which I also like, but seeing it float away might be interesting just to compare it to.

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I just rewatched this again!

Poppa tell me if I’m seeing this correct.

When Snoke’s torso falls…that’s not blue smoke!?? It’s a ghostly silhouette of cloaked Palpatine perfectly scaled to where Snoke was sat?

(Which would perfectly allude to him possessing the body)

Thinking maybe the digital insert is sourced from footage of him in hologram form sat at the table of the trade federation ship from TPM?

Am I right?? Or am I seeing things?

Regardless, Whatever is going on here…I LOVE IT

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Concerning the Praetorian guard fight I feel like the score needs to more tense and dramatic. Maybe something akin to Ivan ortega’s* version.

*[he who should not be named]

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Regarding the eyes, I would much rather go for something that closer matches Palpatine from the original trilogy than Darth Maul, especially since Palpatine is who we are teasing.

I used two different weights of Snoke’s eye color intensity, one for when he is first struck by the lightsaber…

And one for when it settles a little. I felt like this would look more subtle and appropriate for resting Sith eyes.

I could keep the more intense look longer (which to me, if anything, appears too strong and more Maul than Palpatine). I also have control over the thickness and softness of the red ring around the yellow, which can be smoothed out a little, but again, I want to keep it in line with Palpatine (who has a thin sharp red ring) as much as possible.

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I see where you’re coming from but if I remember correctly in TROS the red ring in Palpatine’s eyes is a lot more pronounced, perhaps even to the level of Lord Maul and the yellow has a very bright glow to it.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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I mean, does it have to be exactly like his eyes? I think having any color change at all is enough of a hint.

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RogueLeader said:

I mean, does it have to be exactly like his eyes? I think having any color change at all is enough of a hint.

Yeah I think the main thing is to make it distinctly “Sith”

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Just watched the video Poppa, really nice!

I think the “blue smoke” is just right!

As for the eyes, I think I can go either way really. I think it is done well, it is more a question of is it needed? I think it’s neat, but is it too much of a hint? I think the smoke is fine as it is and doesn’t really hint at much since it is so quick … which is a great thing.

Of course you can keep working on it, but I think I am leaning towards keep the smoke but not the eyes. Maybe. I’ll keep watching it and pondering about it more and more.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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jarbear said:

Of course you can keep working on it, but I think I am leaning towards keep the smoke but not the eyes. Maybe. I’ll keep watching it and pondering about it more and more.

This was my initial thought as well, but it might be worth getting for thoughts on.

EDIT: Tbf, it might seem obvious in retrospect, but maybe that is good. If the Sith eyes would’ve been in the theatrical film, people would’ve still speculated for two years about what it meant. Then when the Palpatine reveal happens people would feel like it was obvious in retrospect, which I think is the goal, isn’t it?

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Ok been watching it over and over again. Try this idea: Just a quick flash of sith eyes right at, erm, penetration.

We are watching the eyes so much that it does seem very “obvious.” But what if the flash of color comes and goes very quickly, like a split second? like it goes full color right at the saber ignition and fades off pretty quickly?

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Totally with you guys I think. The eyes could distract from one of the film’s major moments.

Just to play it out a little further, though, here’s two options, one which is even stronger on the eyes than before, with brighter yellow. The other is a more subtle, briefer flare of the eyes as he’s struck by the lightsaber that quickly dissipates.

Snoke Sith Death Strong

Snoke Sith Death Subtle

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EDIT: jarbear, didn’t see your last post until I posted, but I think my subtle version is the kind of thing you’re thinking about! I think maybe it could be even faster? Good to know we’re on the same page!

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^^^^ Hahahahah, great minds think a like, right? Or at least I pretend to have a great mind.

Of course, I am digging the Subtle version as you posted. I say even faster fade back and you got it!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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First option for me, the second one makes it look like a brief burst of anger while the first looks like an unveiling of his true nature.

Oh and I love the strong eyes.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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jarbear, just updated the subtle version with a faster flare or his eyes (same link as above).

idir, glad the strong version is working! I’m not sure I want to reveal his true nature here so much as hint at it. There’s so much happening in this moment already, with the tension between Rey and Kylo-Ren and the anticipation of what Ren will do. I don’t want to distract from that. I just want to drop a hint here, where if someone were to go back and look they might find this clue.

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I’ll keep an eye out for the updated video, it is still the same one. I am very curious since the subtle one is the way. Especially since you have the radio scene at the end, that should be the most “blatant” of the hints. Keeping the eyes strong, or so, “in your face” may be the tip of the scales to be too much hinting at things. Or at least trying to hint at something.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Alternatively you could try transitioning to the Sith eyes when he looks up from the light saber after it penetrates his body

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…