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Post #1316752

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DrDre
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
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2-Jan-2020, 1:36 PM

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

Also, Finn and Poe can kiss on Crait!

I like that, though I’m not sure I buy the rest. Why is the guy who isn’t devoted to the cause telling the one who is how bad the war is? What is Poe learning exactly, and how is Finn learning his lesson? It’s a lot cleaner if Finn gets the “why we fight” story, and Poe’s story is focused on heroism vs. recklessness.

At least that’s how I feel and how Johnson felt. Maybe there was a different way to do it that’d work equally well, I don’t know. For me I don’t really have any problem with Canto Bight so I don’t really see why it should’ve been done differently. Different strokes I guess.

It seems very odd, that Rose the mechanic is teaching Finn the former soldier, who was pretty much enslaved as a child about the horrors of war, and slavery. This is the issue with many of the character arcs in TLJ, where RJ just uses them as tools to send whatever message he wants to the audience, whether it is consistent with their previously established character, and character history or not.

TFA set up Finn as a character who explicitly wanted to run. That meant that in TLJ they had an opportunity to finally do a “why we fight” sort of story for a main character, which is something that really hasn’t been done before in the series. Finn was a child soldier, yes, and they could have gone a different direction, but Finn’s characterization as just trying to save himself and Rey and getting out of it is not at all inconsistent with his character as previously established.

And I don’t think Rose’s place in it is odd at all, as they clearly explain her backstory.

It’s fine that Poe needs to learn about what it means to be a leader, but at the same time Poe is so over the top irresponsible, and hot headed, that it doesn’t really seem very consistent with the good natured, respected pilot and commander that was presented to us in TFA.

I mean, come on. Poe is clearly a cocky hero type in TFA. You’ll argue about anything, I swear.

Cocky hero type, and downright irresponsible to the point of disobeying a direct order, and starting a mutiny are two very different things. If the opening scene of TFA told us anything, it was that Poe was the one pilot in the Resistance, that Leia trusted above all else to carry out a highly sensitive mission. Why would she do that, if he was such an irresponsible hothead? My take is, that RJ clearly wanted to make a point of toxic masculinity, and hero worship with his film, and so several characters were fitted into this mold.