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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy? — Page 10

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TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Though I’m currently at work constructing a time machine for the sole purpose of travelling back to 1982 to prevent the filming of ROTJ

Why.

Disgruntled fanboy, is Disgruntled.

Guess what, you can just ignore it. It’s selfish to take it away from other people who enjoy it.

If I had a time machine I wouldn’t use it to get rid of David Lynch.

FFS, I was just joking — caricaturizing my own dislike of ROTJ. Or do you seriously believe I’m building a time machine?

I believe that if you had the ability to build a time machine, you would definitely use it to stop ROTJ from being made.

Actually, if I had a time machine, I’d go back to 2001 and prevent my life from becoming a shambles.

Sounds like your second stop to me. I think you’re downplaying your ROTJ loathing.

As it was for the prequels, I’ve gone through denial, through anger, through bargaining and depression, and have come to acceptance. I don’t like any of them, but they barely exist for me, so I couldn’t care less about their continued presence.

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Now that we’ve seen all three…

Most satisfying? Kylo Ren.
Most disappointing? His arc.

I’m not sure if spoilers are allowed in this thread, so I won’t say much more beyond the fact that J.J. / Terrio took a very complex and intriguing villain and cheated him out of a proper ending.

“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017

MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707

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Most disappointing by far is that it was rebels vs. empire yet again. I wasn’t invested nearly as much due to this.

Most satisfying was Kylo and Rey dynamic. Wish that was fleshed out even more.

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Most satisfying: Seeing the big three and Chewie back on the big screen again in new Star Wars.

Most disappointing: The absolute butchering of the big three and severe under usage of Chewie in new Star Wars and the DT in general. TLJ could also take this accolade all by itself.

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I love Rey’s hair during her conversation with Kylo after they fight off the praetorian guards and the tug of war for the saber.

I don’t like that Snap came back for episode IX, since he wasn’t at the end of TLJ when it was supposedly the very last of the Resistance.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

I love Rey’s hair during her conversation with Kylo after they fight off the praetorian guards and the tug of war for the saber.

Best action scene of the ST. Great looking composition. Nice choregraphy. Might even be the best moment of the ST, where RJ was turning the tide… too bad the following half hour was kinda regressing after 2 hours of boldness.

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Mos disappointing thing hands down was no Anakin. I wanted him so badly and we came so close to having him in The Rise of Skywalker. Without him any new movies are meaningless, because he is the Chosen One

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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MalàStrana said:

Hal 9000 said:

I love Rey’s hair during her conversation with Kylo after they fight off the praetorian guards and the tug of war for the saber.

Best action scene of the ST. Great looking composition. Nice choregraphy. Might even be the best moment of the ST, where RJ was turning the tide… too bad the following half hour was kinda regressing after 2 hours of boldness.

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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liamnotneeson said:

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

Yeah after 7 movies how dare RJ try to add new layers. Lucky for you TROS has “fixed” all of that (gievn the result, it was not a really good idea…)

But yeah, RJ also missed the point but at least he tried something. JJ doesn’t try anything.

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MalàStrana said:

liamnotneeson said:

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

Yeah after 7 movies how dare RJ try to add new layers. Lucky for you TROS has “fixed” all of that (gievn the result, it was not a really good idea…)

But yeah, RJ also missed the point but at least he tried something. JJ doesn’t try anything.

Yeah, after 7 movies in a franchise based on the most obvious good guys versus bad guys stories ever, adding a schpeel about how the good guys and bad guys both suck probably isn’t a good move.

TROS didn’t even “fix” that anyways, it retroactively fixed the other things RJ did in TLJ, like Snoke being killed off, Rey still being OP, Luke hiding (kinda, implied that he was also looking for the Sith planet), and her parents being nobodies.

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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liamnotneeson said:

MalàStrana said:

liamnotneeson said:

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

Yeah after 7 movies how dare RJ try to add new layers. Lucky for you TROS has “fixed” all of that (gievn the result, it was not a really good idea…)

But yeah, RJ also missed the point but at least he tried something. JJ doesn’t try anything.

Yeah, after 7 movies in a franchise based on the most obvious good guys versus bad guys stories ever, adding a schpeel about how the good guys and bad guys both suck probably isn’t a good move.

TROS didn’t even “fix” that anyways, it retroactively fixed the other things RJ did in TLJ, like Snoke being killed off, Rey still being OP, Luke hiding (kinda, implied that he was also looking for the Sith planet), and her parents being nobodies.

But do you really think that Rey is not OP anymore just because she’s related to this one person? Brother, we have very different interpretations of the force and how it works.

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Omni said:

liamnotneeson said:

MalàStrana said:

liamnotneeson said:

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

Yeah after 7 movies how dare RJ try to add new layers. Lucky for you TROS has “fixed” all of that (gievn the result, it was not a really good idea…)

But yeah, RJ also missed the point but at least he tried something. JJ doesn’t try anything.

Yeah, after 7 movies in a franchise based on the most obvious good guys versus bad guys stories ever, adding a schpeel about how the good guys and bad guys both suck probably isn’t a good move.

TROS didn’t even “fix” that anyways, it retroactively fixed the other things RJ did in TLJ, like Snoke being killed off, Rey still being OP, Luke hiding (kinda, implied that he was also looking for the Sith planet), and her parents being nobodies.

But do you really think that Rey is not OP anymore just because she’s related to this one person? Brother, we have very different interpretations of the force and how it works.

You’re right, it didn’t really fix it, just offer a insufficient explanation

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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The fact that people use the term “OP” when referring to a character is just proof of how people are looking at these movies in all the wrong ways.

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DominicCobb said:

The fact that people use the term “OP” when referring to a character is just proof of how people are looking at these movies in all the wrong ways.

Yep. On a related note, I get the feeling a lot of the people who couldn’t get their head around Luke failing with Ben in TLJ probably learned narrative structure from video games.

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People taking Luke’s remark as he catches the saber as a jab at TLJ don’t seem to appreciate his arc. It’s pretty obvious that he changed dramatically over the course of that film.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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DominicCobb said:

The fact that people use the term “OP” when referring to a character is just proof of how people are looking at these movies in all the wrong ways.

I’m sorry, would you rather me say she’s a Mary Sue instead?

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

The fact that people use the term “OP” when referring to a character is just proof of how people are looking at these movies in all the wrong ways.

I’m sorry, would you rather me say she’s a Mary Sue instead?

DEWIT.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

liamnotneeson said:

DominicCobb said:

The fact that people use the term “OP” when referring to a character is just proof of how people are looking at these movies in all the wrong ways.

I’m sorry, would you rather me say she’s a Mary Sue instead?

DEWIT.

As you wish, my master.

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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liamnotneeson said:

MalàStrana said:

Hal 9000 said:

I love Rey’s hair during her conversation with Kylo after they fight off the praetorian guards and the tug of war for the saber.

Best action scene of the ST. Great looking composition. Nice choregraphy. Might even be the best moment of the ST, where RJ was turning the tide… too bad the following half hour was kinda regressing after 2 hours of boldness.

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

I don’t buy that Star Wars is only a black and white, good-bad dichotomy, when Darth Vader has been one of the most driving forces in the franchise since 1980. It’s always been about choosing to do good over bad, but never at the expense of exploring how difficult it can be to do that. Or at least how easy it is to fall into doing otherwise. Luke has to reject darkness throughout the trilogy and at a pivotal moment in ROTJ, and by that same token Vader realizes that he can still choose - that his ability to still do good isn’t as damned as he is. It’s not about good and bad people, it’s about choice.

TLJ says the exact same thing but expands upon those themes. That that struggle between good and bad is lifelong and eternal. That triumphing one moment in life doesn’t mean you won’t have to keep choosing over and over again. The line will only get more and more blurred, and it will only get easier to choose the dark. But you must continue. Every day. Being a hero isn’t a natural state of being. Nothing is. Poe can’t coast off good intentions, Finn can’t just be neutral, Luke can’t escape those choices.

If Darth Vader in ESB/ROTJ was about how being evil isn’t a state of being, then TLJ was a natural extension of that. Heroism, like darkness, come from choices not being.

Andor: The Rogue One Arc

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NFBisms said:

liamnotneeson said:

MalàStrana said:

Hal 9000 said:

I love Rey’s hair during her conversation with Kylo after they fight off the praetorian guards and the tug of war for the saber.

Best action scene of the ST. Great looking composition. Nice choregraphy. Might even be the best moment of the ST, where RJ was turning the tide… too bad the following half hour was kinda regressing after 2 hours of boldness.

If by “boldness” you mean RJ promoting the whole “no good, no bad, no Sith, no Jedi, just Force” business, I’m glad the last half hour regressed–a good-evil dichotomy is what Star wars is built on. I think it should have been more explicitly rejected and done better.

I don’t buy that Star Wars is only a black and white, good-bad dichotomy, when Darth Vader has been one of the most driving forces in the franchise since 1980. It’s always been about choosing to do good over bad, but never at the expense of exploring how difficult it can be to do that. Or at least how easy it is to fall into doing otherwise. Luke has to reject his darkness at a pivotal moment in ROTJ, and Vader realizes that he can still choose - that his ability to do good isn’t as damned as he is. It’s not about good and bad people, it’s about choice.

TLJ says the exact same thing but expands upon those themes. That that struggle between good and bad is lifelong and eternal. That triumphing one moment in life doesn’t mean you don’t have to keep choosing over and over again. The line will only get more and more blurred, and it will only get easier to choose the dark. But you must continue. Every day. Being a hero isn’t a natural state of being. Nothing is. Poe can’t coast off good intentions, Finn can’t just be neutral, Luke can’t escape those choices.

If Darth Vader in ESB/ROTJ was about how being evil isn’t a state of being, then TLJ was a natural extension of that. Heroism comes from choosing not being.

Wow that was seriously a great post NFBisms. I still hate TLJ though sorry.

Also I am about 3/4 drunk right now. Merry Christmas everyone!

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liamnotneeson said:

Mos disappointing thing hands down was no Anakin. I wanted him so badly and we came so close to having him in The Rise of Skywalker. Without him any new movies are meaningless, because he is the Chosen One

I’d rather just get rid of the whole “Chosen One” crap.

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BedeHistory731 said:

liamnotneeson said:

Mos disappointing thing hands down was no Anakin. I wanted him so badly and we came so close to having him in The Rise of Skywalker. Without him any new movies are meaningless, because he is the Chosen One

I’d rather just get rid of the whole “Chosen One” crap.

The prophecy of the Chosen One is arguably the over-arching theme of the entire original 6 movies

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.

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Over-arching theme of the entire PT. It isn’t present in the OT even as subtext.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Over-arching theme of the entire PT. It isn’t present in the OT even as subtext.

True I suppose, but the theme itself is fulfilled in Episode VI, so if one were to watch I through VI in order they would see that payoff

No offense, kid, but I don’t think you know how to boil water.