Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
Max_Rebo wrote:
No, it is the point of the second film which is contradcted in the third film. Like you said, time is fluid, not preset, but Judgment day is apparently set. The only thing that can be changed is the date and the characters involved. That is what contradicts the other two movies. If there is "no fate but what we make," then how come we can't stop Judgment day from happening?
Max_Rebo wrote:
I never quite understood why people had a problem with this, changing the past is integral to the plot of T2, the machines were only created because time was changed, and then it was changed back at the end of the film, it's a big paradox and it is different to most films dealing with time travel (i.e. Twelve monkeys where everything is preset), in these films time is fluid (like back to the future things can be changed)
Actually, CYBERDINE Industries, who was the creator of the machines, was in business in the original Terminator. There may have been a paradox sub-plot there (not talking about John's father and Sarah having sex and getting her pregnant with John which was an obvious paradox), but the machines being created because of the destroyed machine left in the Cyberdine building can be taken either way in my opinion. They would have come up with the technology eventually, it just would have taken longer.
exactly it's a similar time line just the date is changed by the activities of time travel.
Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
Max_Rebo wrote:
"No fate but what we make." the future is not determined, that's the whole point of the second and third film.
Actually, CYBERDINE Industries, who was the creator of the machines, was in business in the original Terminator. There may have been a paradox sub-plot there (not talking about John's father and Sarah having sex and getting her pregnant with John which was an obvious paradox), but the machines being created because of the destroyed machine left in the Cyberdine building can be taken either way in my opinion. They would have come up with the technology eventually, it just would have taken longer.
exactly it's a similar time line just the date is changed by the activities of time travel.
Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
Max_Rebo wrote:
"No fate but what we make." the future is not determined, that's the whole point of the second and third film.
No, it is the point of the second film which is contradcted in the third film. Like you said, time is fluid, not preset, but Judgment day is apparently set. The only thing that can be changed is the date and the characters involved. That is what contradicts the other two movies. If there is "no fate but what we make," then how come we can't stop Judgment day from happening?
I don't think there is any contradiction (although I have only seen T3 once and may be missing something), there is nothing to say judgement day must happen, in T2 they believe that stopping cyberdine systems will stop the war but "hard to predict, the future is", they fail to take into acount the existance of sky-net which is a fundamental cog in the system, judgement day happens because of the AI of sky-net not because of the terminators, they are just a tool, this is cleverest bit of T3. But aslo judgement day may always happen because that is where the human race is leading and it is time for us to be judged?
I appologise if I haven't explained myself very well