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Originally posted by: Bossk
Capitan,

To emphasize, since you don't seem to get the point and think you know what I meant more than I do, I never wanted to start a class action lawsuit. I liked the idea so that I could research it and use it as a basis for asking my instructor a question or two about the legitimacy of such a thing (unfortunately, my instructor had a family emergency and wasn't in class to ask).


Again, I didn't say you actually wanted to file a lawsuit. Since you didn't read what I wrote let's look at it again ...

"Thing is, I'm not saying you guys were willing to seriously file a lawsuit, but you were seriously thinking this was either a great or doable idea."

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get a clue.


Just read what is written.

BTW, you don't need to talk to your professor, the idea doesn't pass the laugh test. There, I saved your instructor some time.
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Let's try that again, shall we (I got booted as I was about to prepare this post this first time around)


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I love the "winky" defense, I can already see what a disastrous lawyer you're going to be. Please don't pull degrees in the discussion, because it's making you look even more ridiculous.


I never claimed to be a law student. Again read what's written.

As for your comments about the "'winky' defense," as you put it, you'd have a point if I made a statement, then later retracted the statement by saying, "Oh, I was just kidding." Instead, I was upfront about the humor from that very first post.


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Thing is, I'm not saying you guys were willing to seriously file a lawsuit, but you were seriously thinking this was either a great or doable idea. What makes this even fantastic, is that some of you are supposed to be law students!!!


That's how you learn... by asking questions... pondering the unponderable. If you choose not to expand your knowledge, then fine... that's your right. But I think that attitude is much more illustrative of a pathetic society than anything we've been espousing.


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Look at your replies, please, I know you're going to say "just kidding", but everybody knows better.


Then there's little point in engaging you in conversation, isn't there? I mean, if you're going to believe what you want, despite assertions, claims, and denials that you can't possibly dispute because they're not your thoughts, then what's the point? And I think this anti-social behavior is much more demonstrative of someone residing in a parent's basement.


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That my argument doesn't hold water, you can't say that either because as you point out, we don't know the sales numbers. But even then, we all know that more than likely these DVDs are going to be bought by huge numbers of people, and there's nothing that indicates that a significant number of these people won't buy them because they're not the original versions.

If you believe these modified versions are going to result in greatly reduced DVD sales, then it's up to you to prove your point...


Do you read what you're responding to? Or do you engage in pick and choose the parts that suits you and ignore the rest? Just because he believes your claims are unfounded doesn't mean he believes he holds the opposite to be true. In fact, he stated that your conclusions about the popularity of the DVDs is "wildly presumptive" and that we should "wait for a week" before making a determination one way or the other.

What's funny is that in the rest of your rant, you're repeating what he already stated... If memory serves, Bugs Bunny used the same tactic to prompt Daffy into telling Elmer, "It's duck season! Shoot the duck!" Is that what you were going for?
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I love the "winky" defense, I can already see what a disastrous lawyer you're going to be. Please don't pull degrees in the discussion, because it's making you look even more ridiculous.


I never claimed to be a law student. Again read what's written.


I wonder if you just can't read, or are you simply just lying?

Let's look at the full quote.

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Bossk, you made me laugh, thanks.

I love the "winky" defense, I can already see what a disastrous lawyer you're going to be. Please don't pull degrees in the discussion, because it's making you look even more ridiculous.


Please be honest and quote fully and honestly, I wasn't talking to you, I was responding to Bossk.

Or was this another "joke"? ???
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GL apologist vs. OT "fanboy"

But wait, lets not actually talk about the topic at hand. Lets disect eachother...and not accomplish anything.

At any rate, I think its amusing to entertain the thought of GL being sued for false advertisement. I think we could more reasonably sue him for idiocy, but unfortunately thats not against the law.
And I think the majority of other people responding to this topic were simply entertaining it because its amusing, not because its plausible.

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No flaming here, Lethe. I'm just thankful someone interpreted this thread the way it was meant to be.

Jeez.

Liondagger, I can say, with no question whatsoever, that Gundark and I got what you were shooting. Maybe our follow up comments could be misinterpreted by someone with an blinder-obscured agenda, and for that I apologize. But note that none of us really intended to try to file a CAL.

Capitan, one last point. Okay, yes, you did say you never interpreted our "threat" of filing a class action lawsuit as serious. But, if we never intended to file a lawsuit, why would we be discussing it seriously? Wouldn't that very fact imply that this was just a curiosity issue or a joke?
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Please be honest and quote fully and honestly, I wasn't talking to you, I was responding to Bossk.


Since it was a new paragraph and I was the one who invoked the "winky" in the first place... and even first used the term on this board, I thought they were two separate thoughts, one expressed to Bossk... another to myself.

My apologies.
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ok, ok, ok, maybe I was being too harsh. There, I admit it :-)

Now let's not get too mushy.
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Originally posted by: Brias
Hallelujah! While I"m sure your post will get blasted by the fan boy nation, I stand up and applaud you for saying it. It amuses me to no end to come here and read these border line psychotic/pathetic rants. If any of you had the money required to hire a and maintain a lawyer to start what any judge in the country would consider to be a frivolous lawsuit, perhaps you should find some other way to use it. My advice would be getting out of the basement, and joining the real world with the rest of us.

Brias


Exactly those considering legal action against Lucas I say GET A CLUE THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO. YOU TRYED TO HARD AND HE TOOK YOUR FEELINGS LIKE YOU HAD NONE AND RIPPED THEM AWAY.
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To paraphrase The Big Lebowski, "Shut the f$%k up, jimbo."

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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*nods in acknowledgement*

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Originally posted by: Brias
Hallelujah! While I"m sure your post will get blasted by the fan boy nation, I stand up and applaud you for saying it. It amuses me to no end to come here and read these border line psychotic/pathetic rants. If any of you had the money required to hire a and maintain a lawyer to start what any judge in the country would consider to be a frivolous lawsuit, perhaps you should find some other way to use it. My advice would be getting out of the basement, and joining the real world with the rest of us.

Brias


Exactly those considering legal action against Lucas I say GET A CLUE THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO. YOU TRYED TO HARD AND HE TOOK YOUR FEELINGS LIKE YOU HAD NONE AND RIPPED THEM AWAY.


this coming from a 16 year old kid called jimbo...
jimbo i think im with everyone else here when i say "shut the fuck up already"

im so sick of hearing your Lucas praising shit...

its funny because you think Lucas is your friend and allie...
too bad your in the doggy style position and Lucas is behind you...
don't believe me?
listen to your ANH DVD and find out...
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I think another interesting point is one of MISLEADING ADVERTISING AND PACKAGING

Nowhere on any posters/standees or the DVD box packaging itself, is it clear that these are "Special Editions" of the films. Not 1997 specials, nor 2004 ones - nada, nothing, no clue given.

The box sticker / spine inlay state: "All 3 Classic Films, Restored and Remastered with new 5.1 Surround EX"

The only way you're gonna know about the new changes is to rip open the shrinkwrap and watch the damn things. I feel this deliberately misleads the customer. And before i get flamed - NOTE: not everyone saw the Special Editions before out of choice. FACT. Not everyone reads message boards and Net rumours. FACT.

Think about it for a moment - in the case of other releases, like LOTR etc, the "changed" movies are clearly labelled as such: "LOTR - Extended Director's Edition" & "Apocalypse Now Redux" for example.

Why didn't Lucasfilm opt for "2004 Director's Edition" rather than "All 3 Classic Films"???

Because it would damage sales, obviously. Which is deliberately misleading advertising in my book. A Lucas spokesperson interviewed by CNN "would neither confirm nor deny the changes" prior to release "I'd rather the fans check them out for themselves, " he said. I'm sorry, but for all you fanboys out there, here's some rumour control: Lucasfilm is NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

And lighthearted as i can be about the subject, i think anyone else doing this kind of "Classic" release of changed movies would be jumped on pretty damn quick. Not Lucasfilm though. Ohhh no. "George Lucas believes strongly in artists rights" said same LF spokeperson.

Well, I feel pretty strongly about consumer rights.

I'm in the UK, so i filed a complaint with the Trading Standards Office and the Advertising Standards Authority cos i am sick to the back teeth of huge corporations getting away with blatant and cynical mistreatment of their fanbase.

Lucas, check out Alien Quadrilogy. Something to aim for, man.
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I agree with you completely hellboy.

It really is too bad that you have some people acting like this isnt a problem *points to fanboys* They will eat up whatever GL tosses them and not complain. But thats not the point. The point is, its deliberately misleading - and thats effed up no matter where you stand on the "ok-ness" of the DVDs.
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The strongest case to be made against Lucasfilm would have to be on the basis of Fraudulent Misrepresentation in regards to their current release of the OT. The fact that they are marketing this set heavily as the Originals, while mkaing no mention of any of the changes, either on the box or in the advertising, is blatant false advertising. When these versions make it to your video store shelf next to the special editions, what's going to happen. If someone rents the "original trilogy" over the special edition, then gets home and discovers that they aren't the OT, who is responsible? Not the rental chain, they didn't package the films. The blame falls on Lucasfilm. What could be gained from persuing this line is a much foggier issue. I should expect very little. possibly just the addition of a special edition tagline to all future box sets and apublic withdrawal of the advertising claim of these films being the "originals", but that's as far as I see it going. It's a fun legal puzzle to ponder though. I've only taken one business law course, so I'm sub-amateur at best, but those are my thoughts on it.

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I haven't purchased my copy yet, so wasn't aware of that... but if true, that is a very valid point, Hellboy.

According to the Federal Trade Commission's website: "The FTC looks at what the ad does not say - that is, if the failure to include information leaves consumers with a misimpression about the product. For example, if a company advertised a collection of books, the ad would be deceptive if it did not disclose that consumers actually would receive abridged versions of the books." So I think there's a very valid claim to be made.

Personally, I think that there's a lot of this going on in the DVD industry... a friend of mine noted that his Happy Days Season One set doesn't have a disclaimer on the outside of the package that music was changed in some episodes (though there is a disclaimer on the inside of the package). Such disclaimers should be visible to the consumer before he purchases the item.

Of course, the only result of this would be either a recall of the Star Wars DVDs from stores (as Paramount did with its release of Star Trek: Generations) or a label to be affixed to each package.
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But such a label would at least attempt to inform the public of what we've been telling them all along, right?

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I think this is a pretty good point. Even if it just causes a recall of items currently on the shelves, and then a sticker has to be removed or affixed on later releases. It does get the information out there, and we do get to make a point. While it might be an insignificant cost to FOX, its still something. Not to mention that legally GL will have to give up his calling them "the classics" which is big moral victory for us.

Overall I think that if this happened, it would be positive for us. At least we might garner more support for the petition, etc. Get some more attention from FOX. Who knows?
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So who's calling the FTC?

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How do you get the number for that? Not that I looked, not even remotely...not even at all. Im sure if id look it wouldnt be hard to find. So if I call what do I say, "Hey, id like to report some misleading advertising!! I have about 40k people who think its misleading!!"

I wonder what they'd say? Lucas probobly bought them off long ago...
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Not to add fuel to the fire, but I know from experience that the FTC and FCC websites have "contact us to report violations" e-mail forms.

Just thought I'd point that out.
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1-800-FTC-HELP
(1-800-382-4357)
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We can win this.
The yuppies will fall and the artists will rise!

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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In the immortal words of Dr. Sam Beckett... "oh boy."
"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia'."
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
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