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yotsuya
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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26-Aug-2019, 6:18 PM

act on instinct said:

yotsuya said:

And while the song you bring up is not one I really care for, it was a #1 hit.

I think a lot of this really is about taste. I don’t care for Avatar but as you brought it into the mix I feel like the same logic you’ve used could all be said in defense of that movie, that maybe it seemed the same to you but there were a lot of new innovations, and it was a very compelling event at the time that felt fresh to many. Even when you say pulling characters directly from other films I think that’s getting back to the same finger pointing you could dish back at ANH.

I see the story of Avatar as totally derivative. There are a few scattering of new ideas (as far as the story) in there, but otherwise it has nothing new. The world was incredible, but if you study how to write a story, world building doesn’t make a story. James Cameron fell into that trap and reused so many old western tropes that there is nothing to to the story.

yotsuya said:

That is TFA. You see the similarity, but the rest is something else.

Somewhere in the middle there’s complete agreement here, that you can see something similar (which we have been over also isn’t inherently bad but that’s where I’m calling taste), but from there it has its own path, own new characters. For myself that new path is still fairly undefined and the ratio of similar to new leaned too far into the former category, the combination making it difficult to follow the ST as its own story.

There are pieces that are similar and pieces that are not. What TFA And TLJ are not are complete rehashings of the OT. There pieces in there, but a great deal that is new and fresh. Too much is being made of a few things. Sure, some may not be able to see past that, but I’m trying to point out that at the story level, the ST and OT are not that similar. And I begin to get the feeling that TROS is going to rewrite our understanding of things that have happened so far in the ST.