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Speculation about the 4K Future of AOTC and ROTS — Page 2

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I think the HDTV of AOTC has different cropping, so it might be closer to a full 1080p image with less scaling on most shots.

Of course, there’s more compression artifacting in the HDTV version, but it’s surprisingly pretty damn clean.

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Seems to me like there’s even less detail in the BR, despite the obvious compression artifacts in the HDTV…

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I’m guessing AotC just got hit hard with a DNR pass for the blu-ray, on top of the also weird color-timing that tints the image. I remember hearing it argued that the teal push might’ve been done to eliminate the magenta push we see in the old hd master.

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Yes, Blu-ray DNR helped kill how AotC looks for good, much like TPM. Is RotS the only film that survived the bloody transfer?

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Here’s an updated look at the HDTV master vs the Blu-ray:

Blu-ray: https://i.lensdump.com/i/WPdnTP.png

HDTV: https://i.lensdump.com/i/WPdvOm.png

As you can see the blu-ray smudges so much detail, and that once you clean out the compression artifacts from the HDTV master you can see all the missing fine detail.

So hopefully they will either make a brand new 4K DI with re-rendered CGI, and definately not an upscale of the blu-ray master.

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Hopefully they’ll go back to the 2k digital cinema master itself and make a brand new UHD transfer from that, being careful not to botch the upconversion process (see: Oblivion).

Other than that there’s really nothing else they need to worry about. The UHD transfers can still look amazing without them re-rendering anything.

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Fang Zei said:

emanswfan said:

And to note the extra bit depth is incredibly useful for color grading work in fanedits.

I’ve run into many issues with regrading the prequels due to the limited amount available on the current blu-rays. Meanwhile working on Solo from the 4K Blu-ray, it’s incredible just how much you can alter the image.

Are you one of the twelve people in the world who actually owns a UHD optical drive?

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plenty of people have them

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TPM and AOTC got hit with DNR before the DVD releases.

They both also got the colors and contrast muted for TPM for a lot of nice scenes and colors and contrast got muted and the colors a bit shifted for AOTC.

AOTC also never a home release to match the 35mm theatrical release, the home releases are all closer to the digital theatrical release (which oddly looked a bit duller to me than the 35mm theatrical releases even though the TPM digital theatrical release was even more intense than the 35mm theatrical release).

In the end, the UHD brought back the contrast and some of the color for some key scenes so, once max brightness is dialed down, it looks closest in those regards to the original theatrical releases and improves a lot on prior home releases. Still has the DNR though and a few things still seem less saturated.

The AOTC UHD, for some reason, didn’t seem to bring the pop back that, at the least, the 35mm theatrical release had and it looks a bit flat and muted and the colors also are still shifted and it’s also DNR’ed. The HDTV version from way back and overseas is closer.

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MonkeyLizard10 said:

Fang Zei said:

emanswfan said:

And to note the extra bit depth is incredibly useful for color grading work in fanedits.

I’ve run into many issues with regrading the prequels due to the limited amount available on the current blu-rays. Meanwhile working on Solo from the 4K Blu-ray, it’s incredible just how much you can alter the image.

Are you one of the twelve people in the world who actually owns a UHD optical drive?

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plenty of people have them

Well, yeah, 3 years later…

And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as the Son of the Suns.

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From what I understand, several recent blockbusters like Endgame are shot in 4K and even 8K, but the VFX is usually rendered at 2K due to the ridiculous render times 4K would take, so the movies mostly have a 2K master that they upscale to UHD (so the HDR is the actual deal maker, as some have mentioned earlier in this thread). I wonder if AotC and RotS wouldn’t be that different of an experience in this regard?

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Mxylv said:

From what I understand, several recent blockbusters like Endgame are shot in 4K and even 8K, but the VFX is usually rendered at 2K due to the ridiculous render times 4K would take, so the movies mostly have a 2K master that they upscale to UHD (so the HDR is the actual deal maker, as some have mentioned earlier in this thread). I wonder if AotC and RotS wouldn’t be that different of an experience in this regard?

You don’t have to guess, both AotC and RotS have gotten official UHD releases with HDR. Personally for AotC I prefer the sharper image and more natural colors of the HDTV preservation, but I’ve heard RotS looks good.

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The 4K of Phantom Menace, And Revenge of the Sith are the best that they have ever looked on home video. I haven’t watched the second one in 4K yet only the 1080P that wasn’t revelatory i didn’t notice a difference from the original blu.