The Last Jedi- Full Movie Re-Edit — Page 9

I have been watching this thread for a while, I have disagreed a lot and always defended Ivan up until the last couple months. He needs to just release the edit he has said for the last two months that it is 90% done but he still hasn’t released it is ridiculous at this point. He is even trolling on twitter by tweeting stuff like “I don’t feel like finishing my edit, I want to hang out with my girlfriend.” I’m basically done its how I felt about sc 38 until it released I would check every day until he would release it. To the point, I didn’t even believe fixing in it post. I kept saying to my self “yeah right like he will ever release it.” If Ivan is watching this thread just release the god damn edit thank you for listening to my ted talk.

I haven’t been trying to defend him (outside of basic fairness) and even raised questions to him way back when he first started his patreon push as to the ethical and lawful issues with it and potential outfall to the larger fan editing community.

I also brought it to his attention when he was copping a fair bit of heat in this very thread, in the hope that he could come on here to explain his motives about the use of the money being essentially raised by a fan edit (hopefully more in line with what Ady does with all the funds going towards the edit, not to make a living…) and help smooth things over. Instead he simply cracked the shits and left, not trying in the least to understand anyone else’s point of view and concerns around territory everyone here shares to a greater or lesser extent with some commonly accepted ground rules so as not to endanger the great thing we do have going here (and other places).

Even after that I still felt he was going to finish and release his edit which he clearly has made with enough other people having posted videos on having watched a rough / unfinished version, though for the past 3-4 months even I have really started to doubt that it will ever be actually finished or released. He has actually said that the only thing holding up the edit now is the filming of and editing in the new Kylo vs Luke fight sequence which due to some issues, he is not sure now when that will be able to be done and so he actually announced he would be releasing the edit as is and releasing another version later on once the fight sequence edit was done. He has said this a couple of times now some months ago and still there is nothing nor any further word since. Being a fan edit, there is no actual reason that he HAS to release it, that is entirely his decision and he may end up deciding to keep it only for himself and maybe some close family and friends and there is nothing (normally) wrong with that.

The actual issue stems from the fact that he is now clearly using it to string viewers along and probably has for a long time, if not maybe from the very beginning itself though I think initially it was simply a passion project he wanted to share but as it grew into a bigger and bigger event it has changed his own view on the arrangement, wanting to get more himself out of his efforts and essentially turning the situation into preying on people’s feelings around TLJ and general interest in seeing a fan edit of it. What makes it especially bad and an ethical dilemma is that he is earning money from Youtube and Patreon because of it.

He is free of course to come on here and defend himself and try to justify everything that has happened but that ship has kind of already sailed anyway. Ultimately it would be nice for him to finish and release the edit as much for himself to finish the project as for all the people that joined him on the journey that started out so positive and hopeful. No one is forcing people to watch his videos (I stopped a couple of months back) but they were on board for a reason and that reason seems now nearly nonexistent while still being offered up as bait to continue generating income.

His next move will more or less define how he is remembered. Some examples that I can think of are as:

• a fan editor who has a different interpretation and perspective on what is proper and allowable (still wrong but in his head it’s justified) and doesn’t cope well with the pressure, stress and expectation of the self inflicted publicity OR
• a less than ethical fan editor who wants to be reimbursed for his time and efforts editing someone else’s property (though he’s always maintained that it will be freely available) OR
• an outright scammer

Valheru_84 said:

I haven’t been trying to defend him (outside of basic fairness) and even raised questions to him way back when he first started his patreon push as to the ethical and lawful issues with it and potential outfall to the larger fan editing community.

I also brought it to his attention when he was copping a fair bit of heat in this very thread, in the hope that he could come on here to explain his motives about the use of the money being essentially raised by a fan edit (hopefully more in line with what Ady does with all the funds going towards the edit, not to make a living…) and help smooth things over. Instead, he simply cracked the shits and left, not trying in the least to understand anyone else’s point of view and concerns around territory everyone here shares to a greater or lesser extent with some commonly accepted ground rules so as not to endanger the great thing we do have going here (and other places).

Even after that I still felt he was going to finish and release his edit which he clearly has made with enough other people have posted videos on having watched a rough/unfinished version, though for the past 3-4 months even I have really started to doubt that it will ever be actually finished or released. He has actually said that the only thing holding up the edit now is the filming of an editing in the new Kylo vs Luke fight sequence which due to some issues, he is not sure now when that will be able to be done and so he actually announced he would be releasing the edit as is and releasing another version later on once the fight sequence edit was done. He has said this a couple of times now some months ago and still, there is nothing nor any further word since. Being a fan edit, there is no actual reason that he HAS to release it, that is entirely his decision and he may end up deciding to keep it only for himself and maybe some close family and friends and there is nothing (normally) wrong with that.

The actual issue stems from the fact that he is now clearly using it to string viewers along and probably has for a long time, if not maybe from the very beginning itself though I think initially it was simply a passion project he wanted to share but as it grew into a bigger and bigger event it has changed his own view on the arrangement, wanting to get more himself out of his efforts and essentially turning the situation into preying on people’s feelings around TLJ and general interest in seeing a fan edit of it. What makes it especially bad and an ethical dilemma is that he is earning money from Youtube and Patreon because of it.

He is free of course to come on here and defend himself and try to justify everything that has happened but that ship has kind of already sailed anyway. Ultimately it would be nice for him to finish and release the edit as much for himself to finish the project as for all the people that joined him on the journey that started out so positive and hopeful. No one is forcing people to watch his videos (I stopped a couple of months back) but they were on board for a reason and that reason seems now nearly nonexistent while still being offered up as bait to continue generating income.

His next move will more or less define how he is remembered. Some examples that I can think of areas:

• a fan editor who has a different interpretation and perspective on what is proper and allowable (still wrong but in his head, it’s justified) and doesn’t cope well with the pressure, stress, and expectation of the self-inflicted publicity OR
• a less than ethical fan editor who wants to be reimbursed for his time and efforts editing someone else’s property (though he’s always maintained that it will be freely available) OR
• an outright scammer

Nailed it on the head

SilverWook said:

MalàStrana said:

Couldn’t we just let this thread die ? There are plenty of interesting edits of TLJ around, radical or conservative edits to almost every taste, made by very nice people who don’t try to make profit out of it, so let us forget about whiny bi***** like Ivan, please.

Let’s rise above petty name calling. We’re better than this.

Are we though? C’mon silverwook, you’ve been here longer than most of us. You can’t have missed that this is pretty par for the course behavior 'round these parts.

Valheru_84 said:

I haven’t been trying to defend him (outside of basic fairness) and even raised questions to him way back when he first started his patreon push as to the ethical and lawful issues with it and potential outfall to the larger fan editing community.

I also brought it to his attention when he was copping a fair bit of heat in this very thread, in the hope that he could come on here to explain his motives about the use of the money being essentially raised by a fan edit (hopefully more in line with what Ady does with all the funds going towards the edit, not to make a living…) and help smooth things over. Instead he simply cracked the shits and left, not trying in the least to understand anyone else’s point of view and concerns around territory everyone here shares to a greater or lesser extent with some commonly accepted ground rules so as not to endanger the great thing we do have going here (and other places).

Even after that I still felt he was going to finish and release his edit which he clearly has made with enough other people having posted videos on having watched a rough / unfinished version, though for the past 3-4 months even I have really started to doubt that it will ever be actually finished or released. He has actually said that the only thing holding up the edit now is the filming of and editing in the new Kylo vs Luke fight sequence which due to some issues, he is not sure now when that will be able to be done and so he actually announced he would be releasing the edit as is and releasing another version later on once the fight sequence edit was done. He has said this a couple of times now some months ago and still there is nothing nor any further word since. Being a fan edit, there is no actual reason that he HAS to release it, that is entirely his decision and he may end up deciding to keep it only for himself and maybe some close family and friends and there is nothing (normally) wrong with that.

The actual issue stems from the fact that he is now clearly using it to string viewers along and probably has for a long time, if not maybe from the very beginning itself though I think initially it was simply a passion project he wanted to share but as it grew into a bigger and bigger event it has changed his own view on the arrangement, wanting to get more himself out of his efforts and essentially turning the situation into preying on people’s feelings around TLJ and general interest in seeing a fan edit of it. What makes it especially bad and an ethical dilemma is that he is earning money from Youtube and Patreon because of it.

He is free of course to come on here and defend himself and try to justify everything that has happened but that ship has kind of already sailed anyway. Ultimately it would be nice for him to finish and release the edit as much for himself to finish the project as for all the people that joined him on the journey that started out so positive and hopeful. No one is forcing people to watch his videos (I stopped a couple of months back) but they were on board for a reason and that reason seems now nearly nonexistent while still being offered up as bait to continue generating income.

His next move will more or less define how he is remembered. Some examples that I can think of are as:

• a fan editor who has a different interpretation and perspective on what is proper and allowable (still wrong but in his head it’s justified) and doesn’t cope well with the pressure, stress and expectation of the self inflicted publicity OR
• a less than ethical fan editor who wants to be reimbursed for his time and efforts editing someone else’s property (though he’s always maintained that it will be freely available) OR
• an outright scammer

You’re not paying attention. Only a few days ago Ivan put up a thumbnail in YouTube saying the edit was completed and to look out for it. It will be released by the end of the month.

stevepaynter said:

Valheru_84 said:

I haven’t been trying to defend him (outside of basic fairness) and even raised questions to him way back when he first started his patreon push as to the ethical and lawful issues with it and potential outfall to the larger fan editing community.

I also brought it to his attention when he was copping a fair bit of heat in this very thread, in the hope that he could come on here to explain his motives about the use of the money being essentially raised by a fan edit (hopefully more in line with what Ady does with all the funds going towards the edit, not to make a living…) and help smooth things over. Instead he simply cracked the shits and left, not trying in the least to understand anyone else’s point of view and concerns around territory everyone here shares to a greater or lesser extent with some commonly accepted ground rules so as not to endanger the great thing we do have going here (and other places).

Even after that I still felt he was going to finish and release his edit which he clearly has made with enough other people having posted videos on having watched a rough / unfinished version, though for the past 3-4 months even I have really started to doubt that it will ever be actually finished or released. He has actually said that the only thing holding up the edit now is the filming of and editing in the new Kylo vs Luke fight sequence which due to some issues, he is not sure now when that will be able to be done and so he actually announced he would be releasing the edit as is and releasing another version later on once the fight sequence edit was done. He has said this a couple of times now some months ago and still there is nothing nor any further word since. Being a fan edit, there is no actual reason that he HAS to release it, that is entirely his decision and he may end up deciding to keep it only for himself and maybe some close family and friends and there is nothing (normally) wrong with that.

The actual issue stems from the fact that he is now clearly using it to string viewers along and probably has for a long time, if not maybe from the very beginning itself though I think initially it was simply a passion project he wanted to share but as it grew into a bigger and bigger event it has changed his own view on the arrangement, wanting to get more himself out of his efforts and essentially turning the situation into preying on people’s feelings around TLJ and general interest in seeing a fan edit of it. What makes it especially bad and an ethical dilemma is that he is earning money from Youtube and Patreon because of it.

He is free of course to come on here and defend himself and try to justify everything that has happened but that ship has kind of already sailed anyway. Ultimately it would be nice for him to finish and release the edit as much for himself to finish the project as for all the people that joined him on the journey that started out so positive and hopeful. No one is forcing people to watch his videos (I stopped a couple of months back) but they were on board for a reason and that reason seems now nearly nonexistent while still being offered up as bait to continue generating income.

His next move will more or less define how he is remembered. Some examples that I can think of are as:

• a fan editor who has a different interpretation and perspective on what is proper and allowable (still wrong but in his head it’s justified) and doesn’t cope well with the pressure, stress and expectation of the self inflicted publicity OR
• a less than ethical fan editor who wants to be reimbursed for his time and efforts editing someone else’s property (though he’s always maintained that it will be freely available) OR
• an outright scammer

You’re not paying attention. Only a few days ago Ivan put up a thumbnail in YouTube saying the edit was completed and to look out for it. It will be released by the end of the month.

I know but everytime he make a date for his edit he makes some excuse about how isn’t going to release it and then delays it. I’m just done with this stringing along it was announced a year ago!

stevepaynter said:

Valheru_84 said:

I haven’t been trying to defend him (outside of basic fairness) and even raised questions to him way back when he first started his patreon push as to the ethical and lawful issues with it and potential outfall to the larger fan editing community.

I also brought it to his attention when he was copping a fair bit of heat in this very thread, in the hope that he could come on here to explain his motives about the use of the money being essentially raised by a fan edit (hopefully more in line with what Ady does with all the funds going towards the edit, not to make a living…) and help smooth things over. Instead he simply cracked the shits and left, not trying in the least to understand anyone else’s point of view and concerns around territory everyone here shares to a greater or lesser extent with some commonly accepted ground rules so as not to endanger the great thing we do have going here (and other places).

Even after that I still felt he was going to finish and release his edit which he clearly has made with enough other people having posted videos on having watched a rough / unfinished version, though for the past 3-4 months even I have really started to doubt that it will ever be actually finished or released. He has actually said that the only thing holding up the edit now is the filming of and editing in the new Kylo vs Luke fight sequence which due to some issues, he is not sure now when that will be able to be done and so he actually announced he would be releasing the edit as is and releasing another version later on once the fight sequence edit was done. He has said this a couple of times now some months ago and still there is nothing nor any further word since. Being a fan edit, there is no actual reason that he HAS to release it, that is entirely his decision and he may end up deciding to keep it only for himself and maybe some close family and friends and there is nothing (normally) wrong with that.

The actual issue stems from the fact that he is now clearly using it to string viewers along and probably has for a long time, if not maybe from the very beginning itself though I think initially it was simply a passion project he wanted to share but as it grew into a bigger and bigger event it has changed his own view on the arrangement, wanting to get more himself out of his efforts and essentially turning the situation into preying on people’s feelings around TLJ and general interest in seeing a fan edit of it. What makes it especially bad and an ethical dilemma is that he is earning money from Youtube and Patreon because of it.

He is free of course to come on here and defend himself and try to justify everything that has happened but that ship has kind of already sailed anyway. Ultimately it would be nice for him to finish and release the edit as much for himself to finish the project as for all the people that joined him on the journey that started out so positive and hopeful. No one is forcing people to watch his videos (I stopped a couple of months back) but they were on board for a reason and that reason seems now nearly nonexistent while still being offered up as bait to continue generating income.

His next move will more or less define how he is remembered. Some examples that I can think of are as:

• a fan editor who has a different interpretation and perspective on what is proper and allowable (still wrong but in his head it’s justified) and doesn’t cope well with the pressure, stress and expectation of the self inflicted publicity OR
• a less than ethical fan editor who wants to be reimbursed for his time and efforts editing someone else’s property (though he’s always maintained that it will be freely available) OR
• an outright scammer

You’re not paying attention. Only a few days ago Ivan put up a thumbnail in YouTube saying the edit was completed and to look out for it. It will be released by the end of the month.

Yes, I essentially already said in that very post that I had stopped paying attention (not watching his videos anymore from a couple of month’s back).

IF he actually releases it then good on him and I hope it’s everything he and everyone else hopes it to be. Still doesnt change how he’s gone about things and handled the resulting criticism directed at him.

Omg its happening https://youtu.be/W6J0oLTb7ZE

A livestream of him editing in real time, must be thrilling stuff.

Hal 9000 said:

OutboundFlight said:

Lol, it’s been blocked by Disney. Only a matter of time now.

Not a good thing. I hope if any hammer falls it does not spread to others he recklessly endangered.

Yeah, this is my biggest fear…fuck.

The content ID system is automated.
In layman’s terms, all of the original movies are in the system, that then compares them frame by frame to your video.
If it matches, it gets blocked. The mouse doesn’t need to do a thing.

I guess he played movie sequences on his stream so the system kicked in.

I feel like that one was taken down for a time, but it was allowed back up because of fair use.

Is he, like, putting the entire edit up to view on YouTube?

That’s a really bad idea. Especially if he tries to make it a monetized upload.

Best case scenario, it gets taken down and Disney sends him a cease and desist. Worst case scenario, it brings the hammer down on the entire fan editing community…