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Reminder: Empire of Dreams on now

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I'm on the US west coast, so they've just started airing it. They'll re-run it afterwards. Ironically, they played it right after the Biography of Steven Speilberg, also titled "Empire of Dreams". I saw a few minutes of that. He's remaking War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise!? I hope that falls through. The last one(ID4) was one of the worse films ever made.


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i just finished watching it...
i posted my feelings in the other thread but i guess ill repost them here...

i feel that ESB and ROTJ were totally screwed for air time...

SW practically got 1 hour (if you want to get technical approx 45 min)
ESB 30 min
ROTJ 20 min

i thought most of it was pretty neat... but they're still lacking on the behind the scenes stuff that was included in "from star wars to jedi: the making of a saga"
and they used SE footage when talking about the films that dazzled audiences...

cough cough bullshit cough cough
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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To tell you the truth it made me sad. It was an incredible documentary (the best I've ever seen). And they showed all footage from the original versions of the films until basically the end. And I loved it. I haven't seen the originals for so long now.
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i think the part which really hit me hard was when they showed the opening day lineups with that music playing in the background... along with people of the film remembering how the audience took it...

one of them said they remember the crowd giving a standing ovation...
that hit me hard as to how big this movie must have been...
hell ive seen people clap during the end of a movie... but to give a standing ovation... those are given at opera's and musicals... this was a movie and was given that sort of respect by its audience...

amazing
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Well, I'm still an hour into it. I just saw the part on scoring it(with tons of the real battle of Yavin). Funny how they left out the part that Lucas wanted to use classical music, and Speilberg was the one who introduced him to Williams. I cheered for every OT shot featured.


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lol i think we all did....


i was trying to figure out if some of the OT shots looked remastered at all.... for some proof that the originals still exist and have been cleaned up....
but it was hard to tell...

did anyone notice anything that would prove me right?
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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ID4 was not a remake of war of the worlds, it was just a mistake.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."
Qui-Gon Jinn (R.I.P.)
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i think the part which really hit me hard was when they showed the opening day lineups with that music playing in the background... along with people of the film remembering how the audience took it...
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one of them said they remember the crowd giving a standing ovation...

that hit me hard as to how big this movie must have been...
hell ive seen people clap during the end of a movie... but to give a standing ovation... those are given at opera's and musicals... this was a movie and was given that sort of respect by its audience...

YET STILL APPARENTLY IT NEEDS FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS?

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
i thought most of it was pretty neat... but they're still lacking on the behind the scenes stuff that was included in "from star wars to jedi: the making of a saga"
and they used SE footage when talking about the films that dazzled audiences...

cough cough bullshit cough cough


Okay how's about a re-edit of this documentary? Replacing NOT footage with OT footage, thus allowing the fair trading of this doco?

It's worth a shot.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

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The fact that they used so much true ORIGINAL footage (the CRAWL!!!), makes me believe that we will eventually see the ORIGINALS on DVD - perhaps in '07.... Guess we'll see.
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
ID4 was not a remake of war of the worlds, it was just a mistake.


I heartily agree with you that it was a mistake. I was wrong saying it was a remake. It has to be an official one to be called that. In actuality, it's a rip-off of War of the Worlds. The entire plot was lifted, with some additions. Think about it.

Aliens out of resources choose to rob Earth of it's.

All resistence fails.

The Bomb is used, and also fails.

Aliens defeated by virus.

I rest my case. The original is by far superior, including the more awe inspiring effects. Ok, this thread's going off topic.

Basically, I liked the documentry. It contained no info I didn't already know, missed a lot of things I did, and barely featured the SE nuntil the end of Jedi's segment. Still not worth the price and shame of the boxset though.


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Wow! Steven Spielberg was Lucas' first choice to direct Return of the Jedi? I never heard that before!

And did anyone else see the irony near the end when Lucas said that by becoming the head of a corporation he had become the very thing that he was against when he was younger and making independent films???

Watching the whole thing was a little bitter-sweet for me. Having seen the movie originally in '77, this documentary helped refresh my memory in terms of putting everything in perspective when it premiered. I think most people seeing it for the first time today are unable to truly appreciate how this isn't just the latest sci-fi blockbuster that breaks opening records at the box office, then everyone forgets about it for the next summer hit opening the following weekend.

This movie was the first, and - for better or worse - completely changed Hollywood. I was fascinated when they talked about how no one knew how to edit the scene with the Falcon battling the tie fighters. Lucas had to show them aerial dogfight footage so they could understand what he wanted. Just think about that for a second! No one knew how to edit this because no one had ever seen anything like this before. And now this kind of stuff is common place in a dozen different movies that could be playing in your local theater!

So it pains me that a movie which literally divides the Hollywood timeline into pre-1977 and post-1977 now has to have CGI added to look "more modern." As the show touched on last night, this movie had the foresight to use an orchestra score instead of disco music. It's editing at the time was revolutionary and is now commonplace in movies today. It broke rules by showing the credits at the end of the picture. So bottom line - this movie is timeless. It would be very difficult to date it, unless you considered certain hair styles.

It is the most influential film of my lifetime and needs to be preserved.




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And did anyone else see the irony near the end when Lucas said that by becoming the head of a corporation he had become the very thing that he was against when he was younger and making independent films???


OMG!!!
i was talking about that with my dad...
how ironic was that?????
someone should take that clip and throw the imperial march in the background...
just for shits and giggles

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It is the most influential film of my lifetime and needs to be preserved.


Agreed!
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i agree with you klingon, it was a rip-off...
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."
Qui-Gon Jinn (R.I.P.)