Originally posted by: Karyudo
I can tell you right now that they aren't -- none of the current transfers will be -- for the simple reason that they're still only letterboxed NTSC from LD. That's a mere 270-ish lines of resolution. Even Moth3r's version started with maybe 300 lines (and features more dot crawl that the X0 Project will). I'm sure there's no nicer raw turd than the X0 Project raw files, and some serious turd polish such as you've never seen before will be employed, but if you're expecting better-than-DVD HD output, you are going to be quite disappointed.
I, on the other hand, won't be: I don't figure DVD is too bad upsampled to HD, and I will gladly accept some softness and video crappiness as long as I never have to watch the even more egregious video crappiness of seeing Greedo shoot at all and Jabba the Whupped turn up in ANH.
Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy
Currently, even the best DVD's look extremely poor on HDTV's.
Really? What's your signal path? 'Cause I figured DVD looked pretty hot on an HD projector. "Extremely poor" is pretty damning -- just why is it so horrific?
When I go close to my TV when playing a DVD I can see the compression inherent to the DVD mpeg format (i.e. individual pixels, colors grouped together, etc.) This is on a regular 640x480 screen that "melds the picture together." When I go to a Sony Store and look at DVD's being played on their HDTVs, you can clearly see every compression artifact. This effect is compounded by the HDTV's extreme definition at a much higher resolution. Comparing the two is like night and day. DVD is fine for a regular TV, but looks "extremely poor" when I see it on a HDTV. When the new format is available, the difference will be astounding. I'd say the difference in quality will be more than the difference between VHS was to DVD.
Are the original X0 captures going to be good enough for the inevitable HDTV output?
Currently, even the best DVD's look extremely poor on HDTV's.
Really? What's your signal path? 'Cause I figured DVD looked pretty hot on an HD projector. "Extremely poor" is pretty damning -- just why is it so horrific?
When I go close to my TV when playing a DVD I can see the compression inherent to the DVD mpeg format (i.e. individual pixels, colors grouped together, etc.) This is on a regular 640x480 screen that "melds the picture together." When I go to a Sony Store and look at DVD's being played on their HDTVs, you can clearly see every compression artifact. This effect is compounded by the HDTV's extreme definition at a much higher resolution. Comparing the two is like night and day. DVD is fine for a regular TV, but looks "extremely poor" when I see it on a HDTV. When the new format is available, the difference will be astounding. I'd say the difference in quality will be more than the difference between VHS was to DVD.
Are the original X0 captures going to be good enough for the inevitable HDTV output?
I can tell you right now that they aren't -- none of the current transfers will be -- for the simple reason that they're still only letterboxed NTSC from LD. That's a mere 270-ish lines of resolution. Even Moth3r's version started with maybe 300 lines (and features more dot crawl that the X0 Project will). I'm sure there's no nicer raw turd than the X0 Project raw files, and some serious turd polish such as you've never seen before will be employed, but if you're expecting better-than-DVD HD output, you are going to be quite disappointed.
I, on the other hand, won't be: I don't figure DVD is too bad upsampled to HD, and I will gladly accept some softness and video crappiness as long as I never have to watch the even more egregious video crappiness of seeing Greedo shoot at all and Jabba the Whupped turn up in ANH.
I agree on the last paragraph. However, wouldn't it be possible to capture the analog signal at a resolution that is equal to HDTV specifications? It is after all, an analog signal, just up the resolution capture.