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Tobar said:
Tobar: So do you think they’ll ever release the original theatrical versions?
Rudedude: Excuse me? Why would I want incomplete films?!?

I don’t know what’s sadder. That they actually agree that the originals are incomplete or that they actually agree the current versions are truly complete. To think they’ll look at Jedi Rocks and think ‘this movie would be incomplete without this’ but hey beggers can’t be choosers I guess.

Though to be fair with that attitude they likely only know of the originals by word of mouth, not actual viewing.

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We can’t exactly blame them for only having heard of the true originals through word of mouth when George actively buried those versions for so many years.

This is exactly why it’s so important that Disney restores and includes them, even if it’s only a one-time “limited edition” type release. 4k UHD is as good as it’s going to get for the vast majority of people for the foreseeable future. Remastering these films for the first time since 1993 shouldn’t be too much to ask.

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Is it just me or did a lot of fans turn against the unaltered versions once the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney was announced? Before the sale to Disney, I always heard that Lucas was evil incarnate and that the Special Editions are unwatchable, but the day that the sale to Disney was announced, I started hearing “releasing the unaltered versions would result in the discontinuation of the Special Editions” or “releasing the unaltered versions would go against the canon”.

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I can’t imagine why. That sounds more like the pro-SE only crowd updating their arguments against the OOT to me. I’m sure they thought a release would happen in the wake of George’s departure.

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SilverWook said:

I can’t imagine why. That sounds more like the pro-SE only crowd updating their arguments against the OOT to me. I’m sure they thought a release would happen in the wake of George’s departure.

Pretty much anyone with any sense thought it would happen in the wake of George’s departure, but since when has this whole situation made any sense?

Lucasfilm still kept the older, no-longer-canon books and comics in print under the “legends” banner, so the pro-SE argument of the unaltereds going against the official versions doesn’t work to begin with.

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When has any argument on that side made sense in the real world? 😉

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darklordoftech said:

Is it just me or did a lot of fans turn against the unaltered versions once the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney was announced? Before the sale to Disney, I always heard that Lucas was evil incarnate and that the Special Editions are unwatchable, but the day that the sale to Disney was announced, I started hearing “releasing the unaltered versions would result in the discontinuation of the Special Editions” or “releasing the unaltered versions would go against the canon”.

Perhaps it’s just more of the PT fans growing up and becoming a louder subset. If all you ever seen is the SE and all you know about the OOT is that Lucas considers them unfinished (and you don’t care about film history), why would you want the OOT to be released?

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Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

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DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

They probably have no idea.

I can see the editorial and sound changes slipping below the radar, but Creepy Puppet Yoda™ being replaced?

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DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

They probably have no idea.

All the more reason to include the theatrical prequels as well. It would be a fair, balanced, and straightforward approach if they simply included the original and final versions of I-VI.

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Fang Zei said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

They probably have no idea.

All the more reason to include the theatrical prequels as well. It would be a fair, balanced, and straightforward approach if they simply included the original and final versions of I-VI.

But what if I want to watch a pan and scan version of ROTJ with Hayden but without Vader’s noooooooo. That’s the version I grew up with!

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

They probably have no idea.

I can see the editorial and sound changes slipping below the radar, but Creepy Puppet Yoda™ being replaced?

In the case of CPY, if they’re aware they probably prefer it and don’t care that the initial version is unavailable.

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The bottom line is a general apathy about film history/preservation in general. The ones I recall that had any sense of it at all would shrug it off saying the originals were safe in the vault. What’s the point of preservation if nobody can ever watch it?

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Fang Zei said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

They probably have no idea.

All the more reason to include the theatrical prequels as well. It would be a fair, balanced, and straightforward approach if they simply included the original and final versions of I-VI.

But what if I want to watch a pan and scan version of ROTJ with Hayden but without Vader’s noooooooo. That’s the version I grew up with!

IMO, it’s the ‘97 version that takes priority over the ‘04 version/master (and the 2011 blu-ray edit thereof). To me the Blade Runner treatment for each of the OT films would be:

disc 1: final version
disc 2: ‘97 version
disc 3: original unaltered

The final version (from RMW’s 4k master) could very well end up being identical to the 2011 version anyway content-wise, which would make that version redundant. Then again, George could’ve done some additional tinkering before selling the company in 2012, and there’s nothing stopping Kathleen Kennedy from inviting him back to make his final changes now.

That leaves the 2004, which only really holds significance because it brought the OT slightly more in line with the PT (TPM Jabba in ANH, Ian as Emperor hologram in ESB, Hayden as ghost Anakin). I guess it also holds significance for being the version released on dvd, kinda like how the international version of Blade Runner was the one most widely available on home video back in the 80’s.

If they really wanted to, they could branch the ‘04 and ‘11 versions onto the ‘97 disc, but everything would need to conform to the same color timing. It all just seems more trouble than it’s worth, honestly.

Obviously the unaltered versions take priority over all of the other non-final versions, but if they were to go the extra mile and include the ‘97 but not the ‘04 or ‘11 I wouldn’t miss those versions one bit.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Fang Zei said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Only the PT they grew up with isn’t quite the same one they’ve got now.

They probably have no idea.

All the more reason to include the theatrical prequels as well. It would be a fair, balanced, and straightforward approach if they simply included the original and final versions of I-VI.

But what if I want to watch a pan and scan version of ROTJ with Hayden but without Vader’s noooooooo. That’s the version I grew up with!

\sarcasm

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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darklordoftech said:

Is it just me or did a lot of fans turn against the unaltered versions once the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney was announced? Before the sale to Disney, I always heard that Lucas was evil incarnate and that the Special Editions are unwatchable, but the day that the sale to Disney was announced, I started hearing “releasing the unaltered versions would result in the discontinuation of the Special Editions” or “releasing the unaltered versions would go against the canon”.

It was around the time that TFA was in production and it was reported that they threw george’s ideas for EP7 out the window and basically cut him out of the production. The “George” fans became very vocal claiming that only “George’s vision” is canon and the Disney films will only ever be fan fiction. They pounced upon anyone daring to say they wanted the unaltered versions. They feel like they are the “true fans” and the ones upholding George’s legacy. It’s bloody ridiculous.

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Everyone points to Blade Runner as the best way to do multiple versions on disc, but ironically for the past couple years the Final Cut has been the only one in print.

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DominicCobb said:

Everyone points to Blade Runner as the best way to do multiple versions on disc, but ironically for the past couple years the Final Cut has been the only one in print.

There is a box set in the U.K. with the Final Cut on UHD and the other cuts on a regular Blu-ray. Not exactly the same but it’s something I guess and at least it’s region free.

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adywan said:

darklordoftech said:

Is it just me or did a lot of fans turn against the unaltered versions once the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney was announced? Before the sale to Disney, I always heard that Lucas was evil incarnate and that the Special Editions are unwatchable, but the day that the sale to Disney was announced, I started hearing “releasing the unaltered versions would result in the discontinuation of the Special Editions” or “releasing the unaltered versions would go against the canon”.

It was around the time that TFA was in production and it was reported that they threw george’s ideas for EP7 out the window and basically cut him out of the production. The “George” fans became very vocal claiming that only “George’s vision” is canon and the Disney films will only ever be fan fiction. They pounced upon anyone daring to say they wanted the unaltered versions. They feel like they are the “true fans” and the ones upholding George’s legacy. It’s bloody ridiculous.

I’m surprised they all don’t grow beards and wear flannel shirts at this point. Drink the blue milk! 😛

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crissrudd4554 said:

DominicCobb said:

Everyone points to Blade Runner as the best way to do multiple versions on disc, but ironically for the past couple years the Final Cut has been the only one in print.

There is a box set in the U.K. with the Final Cut on UHD and the other cuts on a regular Blu-ray. Not exactly the same but it’s something I guess and at least it’s region free.

I actually went ahead and bought the blu-ray a full year before I even had a player and a month before the format war with hddvd had even formally been declared over.

At the time, I remember thinking “all cuts of the film in hd? This is the last time I’ll ever need to buy a physical copy of this movie.”

To be honest, that’s still how I feel. I won’t be upgrading to 4k anytime soon, but even when that inevitably happens, I won’t be rebuying Blade Runner just to watch the Final Cut at its full res.

The modern equivalent of the GOUT would be putting out a 4k UHD final version that includes a 1080p HD unaltered cut. Blade Runner had that excuse in 2017 since the grand collection had been released a decade earlier and only the final cut was finished in 4k. Star Wars doesn’t have that excuse in 2019 since the grand collection is yet to happen. It should be as up-to-date and future-proofed as possible.

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Given I’m still attached to DVD (nothing wrong with HD, just not mandatory to my viewing needs), I just recently got the 2007 Blade Runner Ultimate Collection DVD (just the DVD set, no carry case or whatever) and pretty happy with what it is. If the GOUT had been non-anamorphic widescreen I’d probably be content with that as well. That said I agree all cuts of Blade Runner should be included on all future formats (given the state of physical media at this point who knows if there will be) no more than all cuts of Star Wars should be.