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Post #1273327

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Valheru_84
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD *
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12-Mar-2019, 10:25 PM

^ Cheers for the clarification Dom, though I guess I still don’t understand what you are trying to say then when talking about the force and Rey getting chosen over Ben. I assume your initial post was in response to the below part of my post where I was replying to RL:

Valheru_84 said:
Also I took Rey’s force pulling and catching the lightsaber in TFA as taking Kylo by surprise, especially with it already traveling in that direction it would only take a quick last second use of the force to alter it’s course to miss Kylo and go to Rey instead. It has nothing to do with the Force choosing Rey over Kylo as to who should have the saber, in my eyes THAT is plain silly and twists my concept of the force into something unrecognisable from what I grew up with from the OT.

DominicCobb said:
To clarify, what I meant is that the force has always had more meaning in the story than just as a plot device. There’s a metaphorical aspect to it as well. In the original film, the force represents Luke’s calling, and ultimately his potential to do great things. It’s not all about the literal interpretation. Luke turning off his targeting computer and acting on instinct is what lets him succeed in his mission. The literal interpretation here is that acting on instinct helps Luke better utilize the force. But the non-literal messaging is that Luke succeeds because he trusts in himself and his instincts. So the force is an agent for representing meaning in the film beyond the literal.

Hopefully this makes more sense now.

I understand what you’re saying above in your clarification but all of that is still derived from character actions, there is never a point where characters are directly affected by something the force is doing. Whereas the ST would have us believe that events are being influenced to some extent by the force which is completely counter to my understanding of it.

In dissecting your initial post to try and garner your intended point, I think I can now see that you’re simply saying the force is actually stronger in Rey during this scene which is why it goes to her instead (though I still just put it down to her hijacking Kylo’s in flight force pull, surprising him who didn’t consider her a threat in any way, especially seeing that they were in a stalemate trying to force pull the saber in TLJ) and that this is trying to say something about the two characters. But why is Rey stronger here? Why does that then mean that the saber and what it represents “belongs” to Rey? What do you actually see or understand in the movie that gives you this impression?

Your initial post still seems to somewhat support what RL is saying in that the force is influencing these events because you are attributing the decision to the force. If it’s an attempt by Rian to imply a metaphorical message then he has gone about it arse about which is why it doesn’t make sense to me.