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Young Indiana Jones... a preservation (* unfinished project *) - a mass of info & ideas — Page 7

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http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTWEShMOFFQHzf8idVWyY4g

Someone uploaded all the bookends from the show with Old Eye Patch Indy.  It seems that someone could splice them into the DVDs to make the older version of the show.  Maybe it's just wishful thinking, and maybe the quality differences between segments would bug people, but it seems like a worthwhile pursuit to me.

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Hi is this project still going on? is anyone still offering the original televised episodes for the series On DVD?

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I consider the re-edits vastly superior to the original airings as the show now makes sense in terms of continuity. Plus no one wants to see a 93 year old eye patch wearing Indy annoying people for stories via Forrest Gump.

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Gotta disagree with you about the re-edits. The chronological ordering makes the shift in tone between episodes like "The Phantom Train of Doom," "Oganga, the Giver and Taker of Life," and "Attack of the Hawkmen" quite jarring.

I wouldn't have as huge a problem with the reordering, or with the removal of old Indy (whom I happen to like, thank you very much!) if the episodes themselves weren't so mangled in the obsessive-compulsive desire to have 22 2-hour episodes, instead of the 9 2-hour episodes and 26 1-hour episodes that were originally broadcast.

I would classify the entire first re-edited DVD set as unwatchably bad. The new titles look like someone experimenting with iMovie. Corey Carrier, bless him, makes the voice-over for the first episode sound like a school writing assignment read aloud by one of the child actors in a Peanuts TV special. The awkward episode joiners are terribly painful, as actors struggle to remember the characters they played four years earlier, and Corey Carrier struggles to look prepubescent.

The second DVD set isn't as bad, because most of the episodes were two-parters to begin with, but a lot of it still feels like someone fan-edited it to death to try and remove something that was integral to the original script/edit. (e.g. Oganga, the Giver and Taker of Life's iMovie effect intro to get around the lack of voiceover. It kinda works, but it's also...kinda terrible.) Other episodes, like "Verdun, September 1916" lose their meaning when mashed into a second, unrelated episode. I haven't seen enough of the third DVD set to 

I guess what it boils down to is that the series as broadcast was stylistically very early-90s stylistically--cheesy bits with old Indy meeting bad child actors and all--and I'd rather have it all of a piece than suffer through some of the worst George Lucas reshoots committed to film. Besides, Old Indy provides (or in some cases, refuses to provide) the moral to the episodes he bookends, and I would argue, his storytelling provides the central moral of the series: Listen to your elders, because the crazy ol' bat with an eyepatch probably has some amazing stories to tell.

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I'm with you on this one too.  While I enjoyed watching my DVDs, I much preferred the shows as they originally aired (as The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles).  I don't mind old Indy with the eye patch.  The continuity doesn't bother me.  Why do we have to mash everything into one continuity?  George Hall also turned in a nice performance as old Indy and it seemed disrespectful to him to excise all of his scenes.

I think the most glaring example was the first DVD, young Indy (Corey Carrier) was hunting for the artifact stolen from Egypt (a jackal headpiece).  Then, an hour into the episode, he was visibly older and no mention was made of the artifact.  That was jarring.

I believe it was season 2 before we finally caught up with teenage Indy (Sean Patrick Flanery) who was on the trail of that same artifact.  Darn it, George, leave well enough alone!

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My apologies for bumping an old topic, are there still offers of sharing the unaltered versions of Young Indy (possibly to an organ website 😃 ). I have the 3 official DVD box sets and a number of official videos that were released in the UK, unfortunately having nothing to offer to the project.

From what I have seen the George Hall introductions and closing segments added further warmth to the character.

Thanks and best wishes

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Apologies for bumping this thread again, I’d like to express my continued interest in this project…

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Apologies for bumping this thread again, are there still offers of sharing the unaltered versions of Young Indy?

Many thanks

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gary1 said:

Apologies for bumping this thread again, are there still offers of sharing the unaltered versions of Young Indy?

Many thanks

I still really need to do mine…

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Good luck digitalfreaknycat at pulling your set together, would be great if you were able to share at the end - I’d like to see in any quality 😉

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Just saw this at the library and it made me remember the show. It would be awesome to have both the re-edits and the original versions as well!

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+1 appreciation for the original TV-versions in whatever quality!

Did first discover the film-versions going on day-TV in the 00s as a kid. Been enjoying re-watching the DVDs-sets a couple of times in the last 10 years.

Have seen some Old-indy bookends & the “Making Of” found on Youtube, and browsed some enthusiastic wikia-alike-resources like https://sites.google.com/site/youngindyfilmlocations/

Made me curious on how the original editing was like watching, what of the material that was shot later on to make the film-edits etc. Awesome production value on these, favorite series/movies of all time!

Will follow this slow - but definitely not dead - thread and see if anyone(s) pulls it of eventually 😃 Thanks in advance for that

Cheers!

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gary1 said:

The following website is of interest to French Young Indy fans (has links to the unaltered French VHS releases!). I haven’t provided a direct link, should this break the rules.
http://indianagilles.blogspot.com

Thanks for the info.
I’ve checked the first 3 episodes out and it turns out that they’re digital SD TV caps from France 4. I found a link on the France 4 website so they must still show it https://www.france.tv/france-4/les-aventures-du-jeune-indiana-jones/
The videos have a logo bug in the top right corner and the on screen text is all in french but overall very good quality.


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Can these French versions be combined with the US DVDs to help recreate the original English airings in the best quality?

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TV Vault has 7 episodes of series 1 with bookends, unfortunately I’ve had no success in obtaining them 😦

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I’m gathering materials for this edit–the French dubs are a good starting point, and obviously the DVDs will supply the highest quality available when footage/audio are not reedited. However, if people have additional materials, I’d be interested. Good quality audio of the whole broadcast series would be great.

Especially of interest are reference/source materials for some of the reedited portions that the French dubs don’t provide:

  • Travels with Father original edit.
  • Phantom Train of Doom original edit (I might have this on VHS somewhere)
  • Hollywood Follies original edit (I might have this on VHS somewhere, too)
  • Treasure of the Peacock’s Eye

The Wikipedia article claims that there are no changes on these later TV movies, but I’ve found some minor changes from the broadcast version of Attack of the Hawkmen to the DVD release, so I’d like to be able to double check.

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I’m not averse to the Japanese Laserdiscs as a source, (especially for audio to pair with the French dubs) or as a preservation but it doesn’t look like it’s the complete series, besides which the burned in subtitles aren’t particularly helpful.

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I looked into this a long time ago with the thought of doing my own preservation. The Young Indy releases are a jumbled mess. Here is a short breakdown of what you have to work with. As you’ll see official releases of the original airings are slim. Then add to the mix that some of the episode were aired differently in US vs abroad.

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REMOVED TABLE AS IT MAKES THE EYES BLEED

long story short is only 11 of the episodes were released on PAL vhs. And 13 on japanese laserdisc to include the same 11 as PAL VHS so really only a net gain of 2 extra episodes.

There are 32 episodes of Young Indy.

And 2 of them also split out into 4 alternate euro airings with old indy.

who can we talk to here at originaltrilogy.com about making markdown tables readable? The color choice leaves much to be desired.

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With that being said I have at least passable episodes of everything listed above. To include the euro versions of old indy episodes that were lacking in original US release. One of these days I’ll get around to it.

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Thanks for the info! Hopefully I’ll get to see the contents of the eye-bleeding table at some point.

Although a preservation of the series would be good, I’m primarily interested in creating a sort of Despecialised Edition of the series, to the degree that such is possible. Editing is a part of my livelihood, so I should have the skillset, it’s mostly time and materials which are in short supply.

I already owned the first set of DVDs and have just purchased the second and third sets as per fanediting standards. Where material is identical between DVD and broadcast, I can use the DVD materials.

For the bookends, it currently looks like the French Dubs are the best quality available (They seem to be PAL DVD resolution, though it may be upscaled) although the burned-in logo in the upper right and the title cards will present a challenge.

I have VHS taped off TV of about a dozen episodes, with variable quality, which mostly will serve as reference for original titles, etc.

I’m still in the gathering materials phase, and am open to all suggestions and any materials. My current plan (if you can call it that) is to begin with an episode which requires minimal edits, e.g. Attack of the Hawkmen, and then work on reediting Season 1. I suppose at that point I might need to figure out how the distribution side of things works…that’s a black art to me at the moment. If I end up with these things for my personal enjoyment, that’s great, but there are a lot of people out there (on this thread, for starters) who want to see the original series in the highest quality available.

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Best of luck errodkey, sounds awesome! 😀