I think it would be fair to predict that no matter what is in the Episode IX trailer, it is just going to be spammed with dislikes. Everyone just jump aboard the hate train I guess. 😦
The hate train only has one destination. 😉
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I am watching the Oscars right now as I am typing in this post, and I just noticed Adam Driver had a shaved face in the audience. He had just got finished with Episode IX not long before.
Was he not clean-shaven last month?
It’s interesting to note that Episode IX castmates Adam Driver and Richard E. Grant have both been nominated in the supporting actor category (for BlacKkKlansman and Can You Ever Forgive Me?, respectively) at multiple different award shows this year.
I am watching the Oscars right now as I am typing in this post, and I just noticed Adam Driver had a shaved face in the audience. He had just got finished with Episode IX not long before.
Was he not clean-shaven last month?
It’s interesting to note that Episode IX castmates Adam Driver and Richard E. Grant have both been nominated in the supporting actor category (for BlacKkKlansman and Can You Ever Forgive Me?, respectively) at multiple different award shows this year.
It is! That’s a hell of a coincidence to have two Episode IX actors nominated in the same category this year for Best Supporting Actor. But yeah, both Driver and Grant had to have gotten finished with principal photography not too long before the Oscars.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
I kinda wish at this point they had kept Luke alive. I’m interested to see how JJ’s gonna conclude things. It’s certainly going to be difficult.
At this point, I’m kinda disinterested in the whole sequel trilogy. It’s not a solid original story like the other 6 were. Now that George revealed a bit about what his ideas for the sequel trilogy would’ve been, I wish they had made those movies instead of these.
I can understand why LucasFilm didn’t want to tho. I imagine George’s original outline for Episode 9 probably concluded the entire Saga, and LucasFilm and Disney are not out to end the Star Wars story.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
I can understand why LucasFilm didn’t want to tho. I imagine George’s original outline for Episode 9 probably concluded the entire Saga, and LucasFilm and Disney are not out to end the Star Wars story.
I’m interested in how they would even do a fourth trilogy. There likely won’t be any more Skywalkers by the end of IX, and I don’t see how they can make another mainline trilogy without them.
I’m interested in how they would even do a fourth trilogy. There likely won’t be any more Skywalkers by the end of IX, and I don’t see how they can make another mainline trilogy without them.
Me too, and I think most Star Wars fans would agree with you. Honestly, Episode 7 should’ve been Episode 10. One thing I don’t like about this new trilogy is how convoluted the story is. They have to explain things to us in Flashbacks, which Star Wars shouldn’t have to do. There could’ve been a whole other trilogy to explain what happened with Luke and Kylo Ren. It doesn’t make sense to skip to this point in time, when they could’ve told us the story in order, like the other 6 movies did. This trilogy should have been the 4th trilogy.
I doubt their 4th trilogy will have Skywalkers. Assuming Luke was a virgin the whole saga, there’s no real heir.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
I’m interested in how they would even do a fourth trilogy. There likely won’t be any more Skywalkers by the end of IX, and I don’t see how they can make another mainline trilogy without them.
Me too, and I think most Star Wars fans would agree with you. Honestly, Episode 7 should’ve been Episode 10. One thing I don’t like about this new trilogy is how convoluted the story is. They have to explain things to us in Flashbacks, which Star Wars shouldn’t have to do. There could’ve been a whole other trilogy to explain what happened with Luke and Kylo Ren. It doesn’t make sense to skip to this point in time, when they could’ve told us the story in order, like the other 6 movies did. This trilogy should have been the 4th trilogy.
I doubt their 4th trilogy will have Skywalkers. Assuming Luke was a virgin the whole saga, there’s no real heir.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
I’m interested in how they would even do a fourth trilogy. There likely won’t be any more Skywalkers by the end of IX, and I don’t see how they can make another mainline trilogy without them.
Me too, and I think most Star Wars fans would agree with you. Honestly, Episode 7 should’ve been Episode 10. One thing I don’t like about this new trilogy is how convoluted the story is. They have to explain things to us in Flashbacks, which Star Wars shouldn’t have to do. There could’ve been a whole other trilogy to explain what happened with Luke and Kylo Ren. It doesn’t make sense to skip to this point in time, when they could’ve told us the story in order, like the other 6 movies did. This trilogy should have been the 4th trilogy.
I doubt their 4th trilogy will have Skywalkers. Assuming Luke was a virgin the whole saga, there’s no real heir.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
Kylo will probably die. And he has no heir.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
I guess…but it’s only on his Mother’s side. And worst of all, he murdered his own father, and attempted to kill his own mother. Why should we care what happens to this dude? What are the odds the family even wants him back? They seem to be down for just killing him now. Episode 9 has to answer these questions, and like I said, it’s gonna be tough.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
Kylo will probably die. And he has no heir.
I’m interested to see what they do with him. If they make him repent, I hope it’s not done in a cheesy way. He needs to be punished for what he’s done, and lifetime in jail seems fair. I have this really bad feeling he’s gonna go good, he’s gonna find love somehow, and he’ll be forgiven for everything.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
I guess…but it’s only on his Mother’s side. And worst of all, he murdered his own father, and attempted to kill his own mother. Why should we care what happens to this dude? What are the odds the family even wants him back? They seem to be down for just killing him now. Episode 9 has to answer these questions, and like I said, it’s gonna be tough.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
Kylo will probably die. And he has no heir.
I’m interested to see what they do with him. If they make him repent, I hope it’s not done in a cheesy way. He needs to be punished for what he’s done, and lifetime in jail seems fair. I have this really bad feeling he’s gonna go good, he’s gonna find love somehow, and he’ll be forgiven for everything.
I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.
Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.
Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?
Han and Leia, while they loved him, didn’t spend enough time with him as a child. Both were busy leading the Rebellion (now the Resistance) while Ben felt isolated at times. Han was always jumping back and forth from still smuggling (before he went back full time after Ben’s downfall) and Leia became a hard-working senator in the new Republic. Both of their busy lives took up the majority of their lives when Ben was younger, as if he was abandoned. Even when they sent him to Luke’s academy, Ben still felt that he was being looked aside from his family, adding more to his depression and loneliness. This is the same abandonment and lonely feeling that Rey had been suffering from on Jakku. This is what led Snoke to manipulate him, as he was in a vulnerable place in his life and he was strong in the Force. Snoke had been successful in manipulating Ben at a young age, making him feel like he had a place with the him and the Dark Side. Once Luke had seen the corruption Snoke was causing to his nephew, he acted upon instinct. Rather than attempting to comfort his nephew and help him understand and be a good uncle, Luke thought only about the academy he had built. This is why Luke took out his lightsaber, thinking about his work over his family. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia all failed in. It isn’t until Luke realized what he was about to do when igniting his saber. Ben took it upon this moment to turn to the Dark Side and destroy Luke’s academy at this point. He still could’ve been saved in that moment, but because of the mistake Luke had made, the abandoning acts made by his family, and Snoke’s manipulations, he was led to believe that his uncle was going to kill him, which he very nearly thought about doing. Ben acted upon self defense and took Snoke’s advice. Even when Rey asks Luke if he created Kylo Ren, you could even see that he had a part to play in Ben’s turn.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.
Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?
Han and Leia, while they loved him, didn’t spend enough time with him as a child. Both were busy leading the Rebellion (now the Resistance) while Ben felt isolated at times. Han was always jumping back and forth from still smuggling (before he went back full time after Ben’s downfall) and Leia became a hard-working senator in the new Republic. Both of their busy lives took up the majority of their lives when Ben was younger, as if he was abandoned. Even when they sent him to Luke’s academy, Ben still felt that he was being looked aside from his family, adding more to his depression and loneliness. This is the same abandonment and lonely feeling that Rey had been suffering from on Jakku. This is what led Snoke to manipulate him, as he was in a vulnerable place in his life and he was strong in the Force. Snoke had been successful in manipulating Ben at a young age, making him feel like he had a place with the him and the Dark Side. Once Luke had seen the corruption Snoke was causing to his nephew, he acted upon instinct. Rather than attempting to comfort his nephew and help him understand and be a good uncle, Luke thought only about the academy he had built. This is why Luke took out his lightsaber, thinking about his work over his family. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia all failed in. It isn’t until Luke realized what he was about to do when igniting his saber. Ben took it upon this moment to turn to the Dark Side and destroy Luke’s academy at this point. He still could’ve been saved in that moment, but because of the mistake Luke had made, the abandoning acts made by his family, and Snoke’s manipulations, he was led to believe that his uncle was going to kill him, which he very nearly thought about doing. Ben acted upon self defense and took Snoke’s advice. Even when Rey asks Luke if he created Kylo Ren, you could even see that he had a part to play in Ben’s turn.
Okay I see your point. I guess that makes him slightly more along the lines of a Hamlet. However, we never saw any of this in the movies.
And even if we did, those circumstances don’t seem like they’d be enough to explain why a teenager would go on a murderous rampage. That’s kind of a crazy jump to make. If my Uncle was a teacher, and he tried to kill me, I wouldn’t escape and then kill all of his students. Revenge like that is ridiculously immature.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.
Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?
Han and Leia, while they loved him, didn’t spend enough time with him as a child. Both were busy leading the Rebellion (now the Resistance) while Ben felt isolated at times. Han was always jumping back and forth from still smuggling (before he went back full time after Ben’s downfall) and Leia became a hard-working senator in the new Republic. Both of their busy lives took up the majority of their lives when Ben was younger, as if he was abandoned. Even when they sent him to Luke’s academy, Ben still felt that he was being looked aside from his family, adding more to his depression and loneliness. This is the same abandonment and lonely feeling that Rey had been suffering from on Jakku. This is what led Snoke to manipulate him, as he was in a vulnerable place in his life and he was strong in the Force. Snoke had been successful in manipulating Ben at a young age, making him feel like he had a place with the him and the Dark Side. Once Luke had seen the corruption Snoke was causing to his nephew, he acted upon instinct. Rather than attempting to comfort his nephew and help him understand and be a good uncle, Luke thought only about the academy he had built. This is why Luke took out his lightsaber, thinking about his work over his family. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia all failed in. It isn’t until Luke realized what he was about to do when igniting his saber. Ben took it upon this moment to turn to the Dark Side and destroy Luke’s academy at this point. He still could’ve been saved in that moment, but because of the mistake Luke had made, the abandoning acts made by his family, and Snoke’s manipulations, he was led to believe that his uncle was going to kill him, which he very nearly thought about doing. Ben acted upon self defense and took Snoke’s advice. Even when Rey asks Luke if he created Kylo Ren, you could even see that he had a part to play in Ben’s turn.
Okay I see your point. I guess that makes him slightly more along the lines of a Hamlet. However, we never saw any of this in the movies.
And even if we did, those circumstances don’t seem like they’d be enough to explain why a teenager would go on a murderous rampage. That’s kind of a crazy jump to make. If my Uncle was a teacher, and he tried to kill me, I wouldn’t escape and then kill all of his students. Revenge like that is ridiculously immature.
All of these acts were from the influences and teachings of Snoke.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.
Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?
Han and Leia, while they loved him, didn’t spend enough time with him as a child. Both were busy leading the Rebellion (now the Resistance) while Ben felt isolated at times. Han was always jumping back and forth from still smuggling (before he went back full time after Ben’s downfall) and Leia became a hard-working senator in the new Republic. Both of their busy lives took up the majority of their lives when Ben was younger, as if he was abandoned. Even when they sent him to Luke’s academy, Ben still felt that he was being looked aside from his family, adding more to his depression and loneliness. This is the same abandonment and lonely feeling that Rey had been suffering from on Jakku. This is what led Snoke to manipulate him, as he was in a vulnerable place in his life and he was strong in the Force. Snoke had been successful in manipulating Ben at a young age, making him feel like he had a place with the him and the Dark Side. Once Luke had seen the corruption Snoke was causing to his nephew, he acted upon instinct. Rather than attempting to comfort his nephew and help him understand and be a good uncle, Luke thought only about the academy he had built. This is why Luke took out his lightsaber, thinking about his work over his family. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia all failed in. It isn’t until Luke realized what he was about to do when igniting his saber. Ben took it upon this moment to turn to the Dark Side and destroy Luke’s academy at this point. He still could’ve been saved in that moment, but because of the mistake Luke had made, the abandoning acts made by his family, and Snoke’s manipulations, he was led to believe that his uncle was going to kill him, which he very nearly thought about doing. Ben acted upon self defense and took Snoke’s advice. Even when Rey asks Luke if he created Kylo Ren, you could even see that he had a part to play in Ben’s turn.
Okay I see your point. I guess that makes him slightly more along the lines of a Hamlet. However, we never saw any of this in the movies.
And even if we did, those circumstances don’t seem like they’d be enough to explain why a teenager would go on a murderous rampage. That’s kind of a crazy jump to make. If my Uncle was a teacher, and he tried to kill me, I wouldn’t escape and then kill all of his students. Revenge like that is ridiculously immature.
All of these acts were from the influences and teachings of Snoke.
How did he influence him? What were his teachings? How did they even meet? We don’t know anything about these characters, and they make fundamental changes to the story.
I still don’t see how a boy who lets a stranger like Snoke influence him into killing people, makes him a sympathetic character. I can think of a lot of Nazis who have an arc like this, and we don’t sympathize with them. A person can always make a decision NOT to kill people. “Someone told me to do it” is not an excuse. It just reveals that the character is weak and cannot make decisions for himself.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
I actually sympathized with him and felt bad for how lonely, isolated, and betrayed he was by his family.
Really? That’s not what I pick up at all. How do you think he was betrayed?
Han and Leia, while they loved him, didn’t spend enough time with him as a child. Both were busy leading the Rebellion (now the Resistance) while Ben felt isolated at times. Han was always jumping back and forth from still smuggling (before he went back full time after Ben’s downfall) and Leia became a hard-working senator in the new Republic. Both of their busy lives took up the majority of their lives when Ben was younger, as if he was abandoned. Even when they sent him to Luke’s academy, Ben still felt that he was being looked aside from his family, adding more to his depression and loneliness. This is the same abandonment and lonely feeling that Rey had been suffering from on Jakku. This is what led Snoke to manipulate him, as he was in a vulnerable place in his life and he was strong in the Force. Snoke had been successful in manipulating Ben at a young age, making him feel like he had a place with the him and the Dark Side. Once Luke had seen the corruption Snoke was causing to his nephew, he acted upon instinct. Rather than attempting to comfort his nephew and help him understand and be a good uncle, Luke thought only about the academy he had built. This is why Luke took out his lightsaber, thinking about his work over his family. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia all failed in. It isn’t until Luke realized what he was about to do when igniting his saber. Ben took it upon this moment to turn to the Dark Side and destroy Luke’s academy at this point. He still could’ve been saved in that moment, but because of the mistake Luke had made, the abandoning acts made by his family, and Snoke’s manipulations, he was led to believe that his uncle was going to kill him, which he very nearly thought about doing. Ben acted upon self defense and took Snoke’s advice. Even when Rey asks Luke if he created Kylo Ren, you could even see that he had a part to play in Ben’s turn.
Okay I see your point. I guess that makes him slightly more along the lines of a Hamlet. However, we never saw any of this in the movies.
And even if we did, those circumstances don’t seem like they’d be enough to explain why a teenager would go on a murderous rampage. That’s kind of a crazy jump to make. If my Uncle was a teacher, and he tried to kill me, I wouldn’t escape and then kill all of his students. Revenge like that is ridiculously immature.
All of these acts were from the influences and teachings of Snoke.
How did he influence him? What were his teachings? How did they even meet? We don’t know anything about these characters, and they make fundamental changes to the story.
I still don’t see how a boy who lets a stranger like Snoke influence him into killing people, makes him a sympathetic character. I can think of a lot of Nazis who have an arc like this, and we don’t sympathize with them. A person can always make a decision NOT to kill people. “Someone told me to do it” is not an excuse. It just reveals that the character is weak and cannot make decision for himself.
Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.
This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this: “Murdering his Nephew?” Jesus christ eye roll
Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory than what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.
This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this. “Murdering his Nephew??” Jesus christ eye roll
Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory then what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.
The first time the audience begins to sympathize with Ben is his first scene in The Last Jedi. He is berated by Snoke and smashes his mask in frustration and anger towards his master. We had already have seen some humanity in him when he was conflicted about killing Han on the catwalk, but here we see more of who he is and how he feels. He even decides to not shoot his mother, due to how weakened he felt when he gave into the Dark Side to kill his father. It shows how there is still light in him by showing how he still feels for his family, despite feeling betrayed by them.
As for the direction for Luke, I was quite disappointed by his actions as first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. There’s a reason as to why the original characters are slightly different in the sequel trilogy than they were in the original trilogy, and it’s because of progression and evolution. Even though Luke was a hero by saving his father, that didn’t mean that his character would remain the same in the years to come. He for filled Yoda’s promise by passing on what he had learned, but he changed dramatically as he became older and more importantly, took on the role of a Jedi Master, a teacher. He’s now an uncle, and he now takes responsibility for his actions. Look at Han for example. In the original trilogy, he didn’t believe in the Force, but now he does, and he’s now older and a father. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia have never had the chance to become in the original trilogy, parents. For first timers, it can be hard and difficult. I love how realistic the characters are portrayed, as it adds and extra layer of depth to each one of them.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.
This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this. “Murdering his Nephew??” Jesus christ eye roll
Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory then what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.
The first time the audience begins to sympathize with Ben is his first scene in The Last Jedi. He is berated by Snoke and smashes his mask in frustration and anger towards his master. We had already have seen some humanity in him when he was conflicted about killing Han on the catwalk, but here we see more of who he is and how he feels. He even decides to not shoot his mother, due to how weakened he felt when he gave into the Dark Side to kill his father. It shows how there is still light in him by showing how he still feels for his family, despite feeling betrayed by them.
As for the direction for Luke, I was quite disappointed by his actions as first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. There’s a reason as to why the original characters are slightly different in the sequel trilogy than they were in the original trilogy, and it’s because of progression and evolution. Even though Luke was a hero by saving his father, that didn’t mean that his character would remain the same in the years to come. He for filled Yoda’s promise by passing on what he had learned, but he changed dramatically as he became older and more importantly, took on the role of a Jedi Master, a teacher. He’s now an uncle, and he now takes responsibility for his actions. Look at Han for example. In the original trilogy, he didn’t believe in the Force, but now he does, and he’s now older and a father. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia have never had the chance to become in the original trilogy, parents. For first timers, it can be hard and difficult. I love how realistic the characters are portrayed, as it adds and extra layer of depth to each one of them.
This is kind of interesting. When you explain it like that, I guess it would make a bit more sense for Luke to do that. He wasn’t going to risk the galaxy plunging back into darkness over 1 person. BUT, I think the real reason this has divided fans is because there was no build up to this. If we saw this journey of Luke that you just described over a couple of movies, then we might’ve accepted this turn a bit more. But to jump forward in time like this, totally polarizes what we remember him being and how he is now. How did Luke get to this point? What kind of person is he now? We’ll never really be able to understand him the same way. Once again, the issue seems to be that the audience never experiences the proper build up for these events. This is just bad story planning by Disney. They made an interesting story (that’s kinda lacking in originality), but they decided to start telling it to us in the middle chapter. Episode 7 should’ve been Episode 10.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.
This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this. “Murdering his Nephew??” Jesus christ eye roll
Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory then what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.
The first time the audience begins to sympathize with Ben is his first scene in The Last Jedi. He is berated by Snoke and smashes his mask in frustration and anger towards his master. We had already have seen some humanity in him when he was conflicted about killing Han on the catwalk, but here we see more of who he is and how he feels. He even decides to not shoot his mother, due to how weakened he felt when he gave into the Dark Side to kill his father. It shows how there is still light in him by showing how he still feels for his family, despite feeling betrayed by them.
As for the direction for Luke, I was quite disappointed by his actions as first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. There’s a reason as to why the original characters are slightly different in the sequel trilogy than they were in the original trilogy, and it’s because of progression and evolution. Even though Luke was a hero by saving his father, that didn’t mean that his character would remain the same in the years to come. He for filled Yoda’s promise by passing on what he had learned, but he changed dramatically as he became older and more importantly, took on the role of a Jedi Master, a teacher. He’s now an uncle, and he now takes responsibility for his actions. Look at Han for example. In the original trilogy, he didn’t believe in the Force, but now he does, and he’s now older and a father. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia have never had the chance to become in the original trilogy, parents. For first timers, it can be hard and difficult. I love how realistic the characters are portrayed, as it adds and extra layer of depth to each one of them.
This is kind of interesting. When you explain it like that, I guess it would make a bit more sense for Luke to do that. He wasn’t going to risk the galaxy plunging back into darkness over 1 person. BUT, I think the real reason this has divided fans is because there was no build up to this. If we saw this journey of Luke that you just described over a couple of movies, then we might’ve accepted this turn a bit more. But to jump forward in time like this, totally polarizes what we remember him being and how he is now. How did Luke get to this point? What kind of person is he now? We’ll never really be able to understand him the same way. Once again, the issue seems to be that the audience never experiences the proper build up for these events.
You may like this. This is a theory video from a now defunct YouTuber, Vincent Vendetta. He made this before The Last Jedi came out. This is about how Rey and Kylo Ren could have a romantic relationship, which I believe is a plan that was made and is being played out in the trilogy.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.
This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this. “Murdering his Nephew??” Jesus christ eye roll
Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory then what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.
The first time the audience begins to sympathize with Ben is his first scene in The Last Jedi. He is berated by Snoke and smashes his mask in frustration and anger towards his master. We had already have seen some humanity in him when he was conflicted about killing Han on the catwalk, but here we see more of who he is and how he feels. He even decides to not shoot his mother, due to how weakened he felt when he gave into the Dark Side to kill his father. It shows how there is still light in him by showing how he still feels for his family, despite feeling betrayed by them.
As for the direction for Luke, I was quite disappointed by his actions as first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. There’s a reason as to why the original characters are slightly different in the sequel trilogy than they were in the original trilogy, and it’s because of progression and evolution. Even though Luke was a hero by saving his father, that didn’t mean that his character would remain the same in the years to come. He for filled Yoda’s promise by passing on what he had learned, but he changed dramatically as he became older and more importantly, took on the role of a Jedi Master, a teacher. He’s now an uncle, and he now takes responsibility for his actions. Look at Han for example. In the original trilogy, he didn’t believe in the Force, but now he does, and he’s now older and a father. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia have never had the chance to become in the original trilogy, parents. For first timers, it can be hard and difficult. I love how realistic the characters are portrayed, as it adds and extra layer of depth to each one of them.
This is kind of interesting. When you explain it like that, I guess it would make a bit more sense for Luke to do that. He wasn’t going to risk the galaxy plunging back into darkness over 1 person. BUT, I think the real reason this has divided fans is because there was no build up to this. If we saw this journey of Luke that you just described over a couple of movies, then we might’ve accepted this turn a bit more. But to jump forward in time like this, totally polarizes what we remember him being and how he is now. How did Luke get to this point? What kind of person is he now? We’ll never really be able to understand him the same way. Once again, the issue seems to be that the audience never experiences the proper build up for these events.
You may like this. This is a theory video from a now defunct YouTuber, Vincent Vendetta. He made this before The Last Jedi came out. This is about how Rey and Kylo Ren could have a romantic relationship, which I believe is a plan that was made and is being played out in the trilogy.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view
I remember this guy. His vids were cool, shame he’s gone. The romance makes sense to me (it sounds like something Disney would go for), but I don’t understand why they haven’t built it up a bit more at this point. Either way, these backstories are getting too convoluted for the characters. I don’t think people want to see “Reylo”. Kylo isn’t sympathetic enough to the average movie goer.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
Overtime, Snoke was able to communicate himself to Ben through the Force. Ben was young and learning, and was still unfamiliar. I’m sure that he didn’t trust Snoke at first, but he listened to him and fell into his temptations and sayings about his family, as he was still isolated by them. Very much how Palpatine manipulated Anakin, as he was losing trust in the Jedi. Ben is not weak, but vulnerable, alone and depressed. Snoke acted as a mentor to him that Luke was never able to do for his nephew at his academy.
This is a great explanation, and it probably would’ve made a great story to tell. It baffles me they never show this to us. But then again…this is the story of the prequels. It’s too similar to Anakin and Palpatine. Plus I don’t like where they took Luke with this. “Murdering his Nephew??” Jesus christ eye roll
Either way, the audience never saw this still. I think you can sympathize with him because you seem to know more about his backstory then what the movies tell us. But to the average audience member, he’s not sympathetic at all.
The first time the audience begins to sympathize with Ben is his first scene in The Last Jedi. He is berated by Snoke and smashes his mask in frustration and anger towards his master. We had already have seen some humanity in him when he was conflicted about killing Han on the catwalk, but here we see more of who he is and how he feels. He even decides to not shoot his mother, due to how weakened he felt when he gave into the Dark Side to kill his father. It shows how there is still light in him by showing how he still feels for his family, despite feeling betrayed by them.
As for the direction for Luke, I was quite disappointed by his actions as first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. There’s a reason as to why the original characters are slightly different in the sequel trilogy than they were in the original trilogy, and it’s because of progression and evolution. Even though Luke was a hero by saving his father, that didn’t mean that his character would remain the same in the years to come. He for filled Yoda’s promise by passing on what he had learned, but he changed dramatically as he became older and more importantly, took on the role of a Jedi Master, a teacher. He’s now an uncle, and he now takes responsibility for his actions. Look at Han for example. In the original trilogy, he didn’t believe in the Force, but now he does, and he’s now older and a father. This is something that Luke, Han and Leia have never had the chance to become in the original trilogy, parents. For first timers, it can be hard and difficult. I love how realistic the characters are portrayed, as it adds and extra layer of depth to each one of them.
This is kind of interesting. When you explain it like that, I guess it would make a bit more sense for Luke to do that. He wasn’t going to risk the galaxy plunging back into darkness over 1 person. BUT, I think the real reason this has divided fans is because there was no build up to this. If we saw this journey of Luke that you just described over a couple of movies, then we might’ve accepted this turn a bit more. But to jump forward in time like this, totally polarizes what we remember him being and how he is now. How did Luke get to this point? What kind of person is he now? We’ll never really be able to understand him the same way. Once again, the issue seems to be that the audience never experiences the proper build up for these events.
You may like this. This is a theory video from a now defunct YouTuber, Vincent Vendetta. He made this before The Last Jedi came out. This is about how Rey and Kylo Ren could have a romantic relationship, which I believe is a plan that was made and is being played out in the trilogy.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MoyGFgTIQXTW8jpxq2lECZVnUXgIccjD/view
I remember this guy. His vids were cool, shame he’s gone. The romance makes sense to me (it sounds like something Disney would go for), but I don’t understand why they haven’t built it up a bit more at this point. Either way, these backstories are getting too convoluted for the characters. I don’t think people want to see “Reylo”. Kylo isn’t sympathetic enough to the average movie goer.
Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions, but I also think it’s important to not set yourself up for disappointment by marrying yourself to theories and speculations that you’ve come up with. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson have been telling this story, and I believe that by the time Episode IX comes out, people will either understand the story/trilogy, or still not be fans.
The name’s Lawson. Noah Lawson.
Everyone has their own thoughts and opinions, but I also think it’s important to not set yourself up for disappointment by marrying yourself to theories and speculations that you’ve come up with. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson have been telling this story, and I believe that by the time Episode IX comes out, people will either understand the story/trilogy, or still not be fans.
That’s good advice man, to all of us. Personally, I just wish they had made George’s sequel trilogy instead. I don’t like this retreading they’re doing in the new movies. George’s trilogy sounds so crazy and new, so I wish we could’ve had that instead. Then they could’ve done this retreading plot line.
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
I guess…but it’s only on his Mother’s side. And worst of all, he murdered his own father, and attempted to kill his own mother. Why should we care what happens to this dude? What are the odds the family even wants him back? They seem to be down for just killing him now. Episode 9 has to answer these questions, and like I said, it’s gonna be tough.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
Kylo will probably die. And he has no heir.
I’m interested to see what they do with him. If they make him repent, I hope it’s not done in a cheesy way. He needs to be punished for what he’s done, and lifetime in jail seems fair. I have this really bad feeling he’s gonna go good, he’s gonna find love somehow, and he’ll be forgiven for everything.
Like grandfather, like grandson.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
I guess…but it’s only on his Mother’s side. And worst of all, he murdered his own father, and attempted to kill his own mother. Why should we care what happens to this dude? What are the odds the family even wants him back? They seem to be down for just killing him now. Episode 9 has to answer these questions, and like I said, it’s gonna be tough.
What about Kylo Ren? He’s a part of the family.
Kylo will probably die. And he has no heir.
I’m interested to see what they do with him. If they make him repent, I hope it’s not done in a cheesy way. He needs to be punished for what he’s done, and lifetime in jail seems fair. I have this really bad feeling he’s gonna go good, he’s gonna find love somehow, and he’ll be forgiven for everything.
Like grandfather, like grandson.
Not really
I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.