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I believe it was Winston Churchill who said that any man under the age of 30 who wasn't a radical lacked passion, while anyone over 30 who wasn't a conservative lacked common sense.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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LOL!

I say let Moore make his Movie. I doubt I'll agree with everything he says in the move but he still has right to say it. I too am glad Jimbo can't vote, only problem is, someday he will be able to vote. Unless..................Motti, perhaps you can do somthing about this?
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Can anyone say Dogma? or Kids?


I REMEMBER WATCHING THE MOVIE KIDS. WHILE I WAS WATCHING IT I TURNED TO LOOK AT MY LITTLE BROTHER AND SAID, "HOW DID YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS GET INTO A MOVIE ?"

"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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LOL! im sorry dayv, but that was quite fun, i know it isnt supposed to be, but still...
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Just to amend a Jimbo comment:
"Any conservative child has more sense then a liberal adult"

I think what you meant to say was:
"Most children have more sense then George Bush"

Ha, Ha, Ha!!

Seriously though Jimbo are you taking the piss?
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Originally posted by: jimbo
My parents will vote for Bush. They have sense. Any conservative child has more sense then a liberal adult.


LOL

Uh... you were kidding, right? I mean... Conservative kid = Spoiled kid who has seen to much TV and read no books at all.
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Originally posted by: mrbarbar
I think what you meant to say was:
"Most children have more sense then George Bush"

Heh heh heh.

Hey, don't worry, everybody. Once Jimbo can finally vote, Bush will no longer be a candidate. No, wait, if he loses to Kerry (at least get the spelling correct, Jimbo), he can run again in 2008.
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But only if he gets the nomination.

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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True.
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Can't stand liberism. I don't want them to pull out of Iraq. Pulling out early is what got Bill Clinton impeached. Hate Gays and am against Gay marriage. Believe in the constitutional right to own guns. I like Bush because he shoots first and asked questions later. Don't want more taxes. Were taxed to much as it is.
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I like Bush because he shoots first and asked questions later.

How is that good? If you're running down the street doing something that may or may not be questionable, wouldn't you prefer the right to be able to explain yourself instead of being shot on sight?
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Can't stand liberism. I don't want them to pull out of Iraq. Pulling out early is what got Bill Clinton impeached. Hate Gays and am against Gay marriage. Believe in the constitutional right to own guns. I like Bush because he shoots first and asked questions later. Don't want more taxes. Were taxed to much as it is.


Jesus tapdancing Christ. You know what Jimbo here needs? Let's get him out of his safety in his parents home, filled with microwave dinners, videogames, toys, cable TV (fox news?), heating system, 3 cars in garage, a gun under every pillow... and let's send him in a time machine to 1969's My Lai village, in Vietnan, dressed as a vietnamize kid. I'd love to hear him screaming when they shoot his parents in front of him, or when his flesh is being burned to the bones thanks to Napalm.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Jimbo flambe?
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I'm not trying to be funny about this, Bossk.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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jimbo... you should read some more...
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I like George Bush because he took it to the mother fuckers who nocked down the towers. He showed Americans aren't pussys (at least most of us) I like how taxes are low for the working man. I support a constitutional amendment against Gay Marriage. Homosexuality is ruining our society. I for one don't want my children (when I have them) to grow up in a world where homosexuallity is considered normal. Gays in my opinion have a problem, a sickness, and should try to seek help for there problem rather then try to be considered normal.
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im not gay, nor am i fascinated by them, but they can do whatever they want behind closed doors, as long as im not part of it. theyre not hurting anyone or anything... i know some gay people and they are EXACTLY as we all are... no different!
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Hey, Bossk! How about jimbo prawns?

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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"He showed Americans aren't pussys"

In my opinion he only showed that he didn't care about national security until it was too late. There was enough intelligence to prevent 9/11, imho. And he did everything to avoid serving in the vietnam war, so he certainly showed that he is a "pussy" (as you'd call it).

On a side note: Democracy was 'invented' by a society that considered homosexuality a normal thing.
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Not just a "normal" thing, but the highest possible expression of human love. While I disagree with this position, I am not going to persecute gays on the basis of their sexual leanings; after all, Jesus Christ taught that we were to love sinners, but hate their sins.

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Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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democracy was also invented by people who loved throwing big orgies where they had sex with boys a young age...
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I like George Bush because he took it to the mother fuckers who nocked down the towers. He showed Americans aren't pussys (at least most of us) - You mean, the saudi arabians who did it? Nope he didn't do that.

I like how taxes are low for the working man. - You have got to be kidding... As far as I know, and I admit not knowing much about the taxes policy in america, he cutted the "rich people" taxes. Besides, how could you know? You don't pay taxes, you don't work, and you are not yet a man.

I support a constitutional amendment against Gay Marriage. Homosexuality is ruining our society. I for one don't want my children (when I have them) to grow up in a world where homosexuallity is considered normal. Gays in my opinion have a problem, a sickness, and should try to seek help for there problem rather then try to be considered normal. - Jesus fucking Christ, what is this, 1955? I can't belive you actually think like that, I just can't belive. Why don't you stripe a fucking suastica in your arm and go shooting gay people around? If one american child can say such a thing, then WW2 was in vain. Facism and nazism rule the young ones minds.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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An open letter to Jimbo:

Jimbo when you first showed up on these boards flaunting your views, I found it amusing. Many times I’ve actually sat and laughed out loud. Your views sparked controversy amongst hard core Original Trilogy fans, and there’s nothing wrong with a good debate. I even stuck up for you when many wanted you to leave. Mostly I suppose because I thought you were being ‘ironic’, something Brits are very fond of. Hell I like to use a touch of it myself when replying to boards. But I didn’t count on the fact that you where actually being serious.

I have to say your recent comments regarding Bush and Homosexuals utterly deplorable and so utterly offensive on so many levels. Before you yell ‘Liberal Cronie’ This view is nothing to do with ‘Liberalism’; but is based on common ‘human rights’. Your despicable view that ‘Homosexuality is ruining society’, has a tone bordering on fascism. In 1939 it was Jews and gypsies that where ‘ruining society’ for Nazis. These people offended Nazis so much that burning them to death was the answer. Your notion that homosexuality is a sickness to be ‘cured’ leaves me sick. You sound like a white supremist in the making. Views like yours are even more shocking as your generation are to inherit the free society that millions have fought to uphold.
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I would have to agree with MBB's open letter. It is quite disheartening to see just how intolerant you are, jimbo. I can understand not being one to take part in homosexual activities (hell, I'm just as hetero as you are), but to say that those who are homosexual are wrong and have an "illness" is just plain ignorant. Homosexuality is not a disease. I have many friends who are gay. They are some of the most normal people I have met.

I've seen movies and TV shows that portray anti-homosexual intolerance and I always found them laughable because I never could believe that some people really were that ignorant simply because I had never been exposed to it. I really thought it was a joke and that that sort of ignorance was no longer a reality. Apparently, I was ignorant in that belief.

You have a lot of growing up to do.
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Here's Bill Hunt's take on it all...

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Also this afternoon... I suppose I should have expected it in an election year, but it's still a little surprising to me how quickly some people are to turn any discussion into a hot-button political battle. I've gotten more than a few e-mails this morning (based on our earlier post) from angry people lambasting Michael Moore as a liberal, un-American, axe-grinding blowhard, and from others trashing Disney CEO Michael Eisner as a right-wing, ultra-conservative, neo-Nazi. And I just don't give a rat's ass about any of that. Seriously, people! Save the political rallying cry for November. I'm not interested.

My problem is with the idea of the mass communication of personal opinion, whether it be by filmmakers or editorial columnists or TV and radio pundits or what have you, in a media environment in which a few massive corporations control the entire playing field - all the outlets and resources for creation, distribution and exhibition of films, TV shows, newspapers, talk shows, news commentary etc. For years now, industry critics have been warning that as these massive media conglomerates were allowed to buy ever more studios, publications, broadcast stations and networks, and as they then merged into even larger companies (like AOL/Time Warner, Fox News Corp, etc), there would a greater danger of the stifling of opinions.

Look... I think Michael Moore is an okay guy, but I didn't care for all the factual liberties he took in his last film, Bowling for Columbine, nor did I care for his using the Academy Awards as a bully pulpit. I think Mel Gibson's a pretty decent fella too, and I've always loved his films, but I didn't much care for The Passion of the Christ - not for any personal political or religious reasons, but for the simple reason that I'm just not all that interested in sitting in a theater for 3 hours watching a guy get beaten to a bloody pulp.

The point is, whatever your feelings about controversial filmmakers and their works, people have a right to agree or disagree with them, and a right to see or not see their films. A few decades ago, when there were lots of independent studios and distributors and TV stations, this wouldn't have been an issue. If a major studio balked and pulled their support, there would be plenty of other independent labels to step in and take over. Not so anymore. How many studios and distributors bailed on Gibson? How many millions of his own money did he have to spend to get The Passion made and seen? You might be thinking, well so what? The film did get made and it did get seen. Turned out it was a monster hit and Gibson profited many times the amount he spent. The problem is not everyone has the kind of personal wealth Gibson does. Not every filmmaker can pull tens of millions out of their own pocket to back their work.

If a studio or distributor pulls support for whatever reason - political, economic or what have you - in THIS day and age, there aren't many alternatives. And the more filmmakers have to face these kind of market obstacles, the less likely controversial voices will be inclined to make controversial films. The same is true of any creative (but controversial) endeavor, meant for wide distribution to a mass audience. Look at all the trouble Howard Stern is having these days. The decision to pull his show from Clear Channel radio stations isn't just about economics, I'll guarantee you that.

THAT is my problem with this. Is this a Constitutional free speech issue? No... but it's a free speech issue of another sort just the same.

By the way, for the one or two of you out there who e-mailed me to say, "You're a DVD website! Stick to DVD news!" My response is this: There isn't a person on our staff who isn't about the love of film, first and foremost. The Digital Bits is a champion of films and filmmaking, and we are a champion of your rights as film fans and consumers. DVD just happens to be the best way for the most people to view films today, so that's what we deal with. Tomorrow it could be Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD or something else, and then we'll be a Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD or something else website. But we will ALWAYS champion filmmaking, and the rights of filmmakers, and your rights as film fans. That's why we fought DIVX, that's why we support anamorphic widescreen and the presentation of films in their original aspect ratio, and on and on and on. Hell... that's why we respect the right of George Lucas to make all the changes he wants to Star Wars, but it's also why we damn well want the original version preserved for the future too.

What does that mean? It means sometimes we're gonna stick our heads into an issue. You may not always agree ("I don't like widescreen - I want my pan and scan!"), and we respect that, but there it is. So get used to it or go elsewhere. I'm sure DVDHappyPlace.com or whatever would be glad to have you.

'Nuff said. Stay tuned...
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